88 searay sundancer 26'8 consumer report

[Bonvie]

have placed a down payment on this boat..had the survey done recently (boat is sitting inside a driving shed on it's trailer)..survey came back positive of what the surveyor obviously could check while sitting in dry dock (hull moisture, electrical, general look of everything, etc) and said the boat was in very good shape for a boat of this age..low engine hours of 640..marine owner has a good reputation who is brokering this deal and has worked on this boat since 1992 (one owner)..final sale is conditional on a positive water test/drive and to make sure everything is in working order & that everything seller said was included (GPS, fishfinder, etc.) is working..was feeling good until I read this comsumer report..any thoughts on this boat? Is this report "out to lunch" or should I be concerned? My brother has a 1988 Sea Ray Weeekender (26'8) and loves it. Just want some re-assurance or a heads up to possible problems

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]Sea Ray 268[/FONT]

[FONT=Times New Roman, Times, serif]by David Pascoe[/FONT]​

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Our survey model was a 1987 boat with a single Mercruiser 330/sterndrive which, judging from the lack of fading on the red gel coat had been kept in undercover dry storage most of its life. This boat was being brokered by a dealer and it was quite obvious that a lot of "make-ready" had gone into it, everything from polishing the gel coat to the spray can overhaul of the engine.
We'll start with the point that there were only 280 hours showing on the meter (no, it wasn't broken) but the single engine was kaput. Sea water cooled and 10 years and that was about it. First, it had one new exhaust manifold but two new risers. Typical of the way things are done, why replace both of them when you can risk the other one going bad soon and wrecking your engine? Well, that's just what happened.
A compression test brought in readings around 90 psi. Yet in looking at the head gaskets, we could see that they were leaking - in fact water was streaming out of the rear of one of the heads on sea trial, which was cut short because of this. The boat was in decent shape otherwise and we advised the client that he should renegotiate for a rebuild, which he did. Which brings us to the point that we inspected the rebuild in progress for the client (smart move by him) to make sure that it was done right. Once torn down, we found out that the cam shaft was bad and that had to be replaced too. In addition, it was found that the after market gaskets for the exhaust risers weren't sized right so that the risers were leaking water back into the engine, even though they had just been replaced.
We've never cared much for the way Sea Ray builds their hulls because they basically box in their stringers - making a shelf between the outboard stringer and the chine - and generally close off the rest of the interior so that you can't see what's going on with the internal hull. Thus, if something is breaking apart, you're not likely to see it. In this instance, we found some light stress cracking on the port side bottom amidships along the strake, but on the inside there was no access at all.
The hull sides are poorly supported -- if at all -- and there was some crazing on the sides as well. The worst structural weakness was showing up at the hull/deck joint where the slamming stresses are transferred to the screwed together joint, breaking the screws loose and loosening the rails. All along the port side they were loose. The bow pulpit apparently had been impacted and the deck was fractured around it, particularly at the deck joint. This is just plain lousy engineering and the intention of the builder to save on labor costs. In fact, we've seen other 27's considerably worse than this one.
The interior is your basic fur-lined glove with carpet glued all over everything, including the inside of the hull. This one's also got the 8' long windows in the side which are the only thing that holds up the deck. Jump on it and you bend the window frames and they start leaking with no hope of stopping it. The owner of this one had caulked the windows shut to try to stop the leaks.
There was a water line 6" above the cabin sole aft. That's because the cabin sole is literally on the bottom of the hull. The owner had built some kind of coffer dam into which he installed one of those Rule aquarium pumps (which is about all they're good for) to try to solve the problem of there only being one bilge pump in the boat, and that being located under the engine. Of course, when you slow down suddenly, all that water in the bilge which the pump won't remove runs forward and . . . .well, you know. Messes up the carpet a bit, among other things.
We weren't too amused at an engine hatch that was so big that it takes up the entire cockpit space. What's wrong with that? Well, try lifting up a hatch when you're standing on it! There's no other place to stand. More good design. Would have been more amusing if we weren't trying to do a survey on it.
To make matters worse, the hatch has a gutter on it that is too shallow. Blast it with a hose while washing down, or get some heavy rain, and water goes all over everything in the engine compartment. The battery charger was rusted out and most everything else down there looked pretty shabby, including some pretty sloppy original installations with hoses poorly routed, things generally hard to reach, and wiring that was less than neat. Beware that when you're looking at boats with engines under a cockpit deck, if that hatch is not designed to keep water out, there's no end to the problems and damage that can result. The hatch gutters should be deep and have large drains that won't easily plug up with debris. If the gutter overflows, guess where the water goes?
Downright absurd was the fact that, while underway, the cockpit scuppers on the side of the hull were catching water and jetting it right up the drain hoses and onto the engine hatch. Now we know why the battery charger was completely rusted out.
The performance was generally good. Unfortunately, we had a dead flat calm day out on the Gulf Stream, but the shape of this hull guarantees that its not going to ride well in a chop. For some reason, it isn't as squirrely as many stern drive boats can be. And those awful Mercruiser controls? What gear are we in? Well, throttle up to find out! Is the handle going to break off? Sure feels like it.
This is a pretty good example of why we said in the introduction that we were rather ambivalent about SeaRay. With only a bit more forethought and effort, this could have been a decent boat. It certainly looks good, and makes good use of the space, but there's just too much corner cutting and obvious cost cutting on these boats to really give it a thumbs up. The original price tag was over $40k and was selling for well under twenty. This, for a boat that does not look clapped out. Sea Rays don't come with an entry level price tag, nor do they aspire to that. Instead, it falls somewhere between the good and the ugly. Its fair value at what she's selling for at today's prices, but you have to put up with a lot of stupid design problems that will eventually cost you more.
Oh, yes. We might add that when you launch this boat from a trailer . . . . the engine fills up with water through the exhaust. That's a danger you'll face with launching any boat this size from a trailer. Not a good idea.

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[sbw1]

We owned a 1979 26 foot SR which was the precursor to this model and put over a thousand hours on it with no issues other than routine service. It sat in the water with an unpainted bottom for 7 seasons with no blisters. The quality was typical for the day and was average at best. Still, we enjoyed the ride and enjoyed a good resale value. (paid 19,800 new and sold it for 16,000 after 7 years). A friend just sold a boat similar to yours last summer for 9,500 with low hours. It was kept on a lift so everything was dry. The quality was a little better than my 79 but not much. The stringers were not great and tabbed into place instead of fully glassed. As Pasco states, there are a lot of the bones that can not be seen and this is an old boat. However, if you are buying a boat in a low price range such as 10,000 or less and everything works, there is not a lot to lose. They do tend to leak a lot. We would get soaked everytime it rained at night as the hatches leaked. I believe later models were much better. The windows leak on most of these boats which can be an annoying issue.

 

[Presentation]

It’s a Pascoe survey.

David Pascoe would find flaws in Noah’s arc. He likes big vintage Hatteras Yachts and not much else.

He once fell off the bow of a express cruiser then deemed all express cruisers to be bad. He thinks every vessel should be built to cross oceans.

Find me 1 positive David Pascoe survey of an express cruiser and I’ll take it back.


He’s no longer updating the survey website but he updates his blog often.

He’s a optimist if you are living in backward world. http://davidpascoeblog.com/

 

[Aarrhh & Aarrhh]

I wouldn't pay this guy to survey a lawnmower! He admits to having a perceived opinion of what’s he's going to find at the beginning of his reports and guess what? He finds it, whether it’s there or not is another story. David Pasco seems to do 1 thing very well and that’s promoting David Pasco (just google anything Sea Ray). There are plenty of qualified surveyors out there and if you trust the one that you've selected why listen to someone on the internet that you have not spoke to. Of course that brings up the point of why listen to anything I'm saying!!!!

 

[Presentation]

why listen to someone on the internet that you have not spoke to. Of course that brings up the point of why listen to anything I'm saying!!!!

Now that is funny!

 

[tobnpr]

The surveyor I use owns a mid- '80's Sea Ray express...

Some issues, yes... But I've found my 39 in the two years since I've owned her to be a very well built and solid boat that has aged well despite being a FL boat. I have a basis for comparison 'cause I also own a 36 year old Chris-Craft.

Your surveyor should be familiar with the things to look for in the SR's of this era because the issues are well known and there's a bunch of them out there. If he says she's good to go I'd see no reason to question it pending the outcome of the sea trial. Good luck.

 

[Bonvie]

thanks guys..that gives me piece of mind..since then have read some other consumer reports/boater reviews and all seem to like the boat..have a merry christmas

 

[chollyjohn]

My previous two boats were 1988 Sundancers. The first was new with 7.4L-Alpha one. The second was 7.4L with Bravo and had a genset on it. Both were great boats for me. Oh there is always some things you may find but my boats purchased were new and the other was 5yrs old. Now you are talking a 20 yr old boat. You may find a good one, but I can voucher for these items. The gel coated bilge was marginal for that boat and leaks soemtime worked there way intothe sealed boyant areas of the hull. The windows, if properly maintained will not leak unless you put excess load on the deck above..then you will be doomed...they lacked support. OVerall it was a large seller f or sea ray. The 268 was a true 26'8" boat and the platform made it almost 28'3" without the pulpit. It lacks boyancy in the aft hull so if you plan on loadin gthe boat up with people in the cockpit...be sure your waterline stays within the range needed for the engine. I had to put on 6" spacers to the risers since I was getting water in cylinder one and that happened jsut after installing the genset. A 168 lb genset in bilge is like a 250lb person standing on your platform.
Overall access was good for all accessoires. Avoid the twin engine 4.3L model...two engines for that boat was too much weight and that comment came form Sea Ray themselves.

I was pleased and hope you have many years of boating with that model...I did.

 

[msd58]

It’s a Pascoe survey.

David Pascoe would find flaws in Noah’s arc. He likes big vintage Hatteras Yachts and not much else.

He once fell off the bow of a express cruiser then deemed all express cruisers to be bad. He thinks every vessel should be built to cross oceans.

Find me 1 positive David Pascoe survey of an express cruiser and I’ll take it back.


He’s no longer updating the survey website but he updates his blog often.

He’s a optimist if you are living in backward world. http://davidpascoeblog.com/[/quote]

You nailed that one right!