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Mark.60 said:
If your going to 3 mile next weekend I’ll bring you the leftover paint with color formula on it.
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Do you happen to still have the formula, also did they use a tint base or the white? I looked at Home Depot and can only find solid colors. They do have one called "oyster" but on line it doesn't look like a perfect match.
 
Mjresq4 said:
Do you happen to still have the formula, also did they use a tint base or the white? I looked at Home Depot and can only find solid colors. They do have one called "oyster" but on line it doesn't look like a perfect match.
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I used white top coat and had it color marched at Ace hardware. I took a color sample from paint chip. Mixed it with west systems resin and the slow hardener. I cant read the formula on top of the can as it’s covered with paint. It’s been a few seasons and still looks great
 
Bruce SEA 993 said:
We are up in the Braughtons in BC Canada, Lagoon Cove and on up to Sullivan Bay. Catching crab and fish and cruising with friends. Good times!

A couple of thoughts on the boat...

1. Water maker (Sea Water Pro) is great to have as water is going to get harder to find from here on up. I would like to be able to run it off of a 120V alternator on one of the engines. Not sure if that is an option but would like to hear your experiences. There is enough transit time to run the watermaker.

2. Hot water is also a commodity as we are on the hook a lot. We run the generator for coffee and battery charging. Most of the time we get water but would like to see if you can heat off of the engines. Again, during transit time, hot water could be available when we get to the next anchorage.

3. I have had solar on top of the canvas on the 380 Sundancer but looking at what is available is funny. Can you believe anyone's listed wattage. I think I should go with a name brand but I do not know if I can trust them anymore that stuff off of Amazon. I want to keep the generator time to a minimum. I think I can get 3 panels up on the canvas with rare earth magnets. That is how I had the 380. So of our friends run big inverters and have 110V all the time. I have only a 2000 Watt so I can make coffee without the generator and use the TV. Some folks in Florida run the generator for days...different needs.

Any thoughts? Would love to hear what experiences you have had.

Cheers!
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I'd think installing a suitable alternator for AC voltage on one of the main engines would be quite costly let alone if you would have the space for it. Remember also that generator heads require steady state RPM for voltage and frequency. Then the integration and switching/transfer could easily double the cost and complexity. The cost would be a LOT of fuel for simply running the generator.
Solar panels are rated in ideal conditions. Boats are hardly "ideal" from a position relative to the sun aspect. For numbers I'd derate the panels to 20 percent for wattage production. So if you had three 400 watt panels (1200 watt rated), you could expect 240 watts of power. Solar panels themselves can't run anything - they put out high voltage DC (when connected in series) and that voltage/current varies with sun flux. First the panel output needs to be converted to useable DC voltage and stored in a battery then inverted to AC. There are panel systems that have AC inverters as an interface but those must interface with a loaded buffer like the electrical utility grid.
The thing about water makers is they require very large motor starting current. At 120 volts you are probably looking close to 12 amps run current and 50 amps start current; that is 6KW inrush an inverter would have to manage excluding any other things connected.
 
ttmott said:
I'd think installing a suitable alternator for AC voltage on one of the main engines would be quite costly let alone if you would have the space for it. Remember also that generator heads require steady state RPM for voltage and frequency. Then the integration and switching/transfer could easily double the cost and complexity. The cost would be a LOT of fuel for simply running the generator.
Solar panels are rated in ideal conditions. Boats are hardly "ideal" from a position relative to the sun aspect. For numbers I'd derate the panels to 20 percent for wattage production. So if you had three 400 watt panels (1200 watt rated), you could expect 240 watts of power. Solar panels themselves can't run anything - they put out high voltage DC (when connected in series) and that voltage/current varies with sun flux. First the panel output needs to be converted to useable DC voltage and stored in a battery then inverted to AC. There are panel systems that have AC inverters as an interface but those must interface with a loaded buffer like the electrical utility grid.
The thing about water makers is they require very large motor starting current. At 120 volts you are probably looking close to 12 amps run current and 50 amps start current; that is 6KW inrush an inverter would have to manage excluding any other things connected.
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Thanks for the info, I have not done any of my ideas for the reasons you mentioned here. The solar is about what I figured as far as expected output. About all I can expect is a little help to offset the fridge drain.

Cheers!
 
Has anyone had to remove the port and starboard sofa's in the salon? They are due for a refresh and wondering how i would go about having them recovered. Once all the screws are removed do they come out as one unit or in pieces?
 
Irie308 said:
Has anyone had to remove the port and starboard sofa's in the salon? They are due for a refresh and wondering how i would go about having them recovered. Once all the screws are removed do they come out as one unit or in pieces?
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When u remove it let us know about access panel to engine room. Specifically if the top
Of fuel tank is accessible. Port side where fold up bed under couch
 
Just a thought, has anyone just removed fold up bed under port couch , would make a lot of storage space. We do not have any attention to sail with 6 adults aboard, we have 5 several times and never used the the hide a bed.
 
RBB said:
Just a thought, has anyone just removed fold up bed under port couch , would make a lot of storage space. We do not have any attention to sail with 6 adults aboard, we have 5 several times and never used the the hide a bed.
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I removed the fold out bed and put it in my garage since we never use it and the storage space is great, we have our life raft, some floaties and spare folding chairs under there now.
And yes you can access the top of the fuel tanks through the access panel but if you need to get to the vent line or tank fill connections it can be challenging.
 
NorCalRobert said:
I removed the fold out bed and put it in my garage since we never use it and the storage space is great, we have our life raft, some floaties and spare folding chairs under there now.
And yes you can access the top of the fuel tanks through the access panel but if you need to get to the vent line or tank fill connections it can be challenging.
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Thank you sir, was it hard to remove?
 
RBB said:
Thank you sir, was it hard to remove?
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The hide-a-bed comes out with a dozen or so screws. That is the easy part. It is a heavy bugger...that's the hard part. It helps to have a friend to help get it out of the boat.

I did not save mine...
 
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RBB said:
Thank you sir, was it hard to remove?
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If my memory is correct either 4 or 6 screws total and a couple with wing nuts and be careful where you have your fingers as you remove bolts so they don’t get pinched.
Oh and bring a pull or ratchet strap to hold it together so it don’t pop open when your trying to handle.
 
Believe I will get rid of mine also. Thanks for the info.
 
Just removed sofa bed and removed access panel to port fuel tank. There is foam there wit a rigid backup. Do you just knock this out or will it need to be saw?
Thanks
 
If you push on it, it should pop out as it is already pre-cut.
At least mine was, otherwise you will need to cut
 
Funny thing happened to me today on my trip to my favourite destination. I fire-walled my electronic throttle controls and both my engines would not go past 1200 rpm … It had me totally beat ! Which made me question, if it happened to you, what would your response be?
 
Had our sofa out a couple years ago, not a bad project. Removed folding bed & back cushions then screws attaching base unit to back cushion frame and salon floor. Can un screw & remove end arm rest at this point also, will need them off at some point to re upholster, will also need to remove carpet on toe kick to separate parts. While you are at this point, great time to consider drawers! That is why I had ours out, went so well did the love seat as well! Check out pics on post 4221
 
Pura Vida dos said:
1200 rpm max, cruise control switch on?
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I hate you :) Yeah, your right... I’d never given that switch a thought until today .. Any idea why it’s even there?
 
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