$4/gallon gas in 2011

wish2fish

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2003 220BR
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This is gonna suck. I thought this was only gonna be a problem when we had a certain guy from Texas in the Whitehouse.:huh:

Oil's surge in 2010 paves the way for $4 gasoline
Price of oil rises 30 percent in 2010; gasoline prices could hit $4 a gallon in 2011

NEW YORK (AP) -- The price of oil is poised for another run at $100 a barrel after a global economic rebound sent it surging 34 percent since May. That could push gasoline prices to $4 a gallon by summer in some parts of the country, experts say.

Flying, shipping a package and ordering a pizza all likely would get more expensive in the new year if that happens and companies pass along higher energy costs. Some economists say rising energy prices will slow economic growth.

The U.S. is the world's largest oil consumer, but prices since spring have been on a roll primarily because of rising demand in developing countries, especially China. China's oil consumption is expected to rise 5 percent next year; that compares with less than 1 percent growth forecast for the U.S.

Benchmark oil for February delivery rose $1.54 on Friday to end the year at $91.38 per barrel on the New York Mercantile Exchange. It reached $92.06 earlier in the day, the highest since Oct. 6, 2008. Nationwide gasoline pump prices now average $3.072 per gallon.

Gasoline expert Fred Rozell predicts that 15 states -- including Alaska, Hawaii, Connecticut and Rhode Island -- will see gasoline prices top $4 a gallon by Memorial Day. "A dollar more per gallon isn't that much -- probably about $750 more per year for each motorist, but there's a psychological aspect to gas prices," he said. "People are going to be up in arms about this."

Higher oil prices have fattened oil company profits. Excluding BP PLC, the four other major investor-owned oil companies posted combined profits of $59.7 billion in the first nine months of the year, a 49 percent increase from the year before. Exxon Mobil Corp., Royal Dutch Shell, Chevron Corp. and Total SA are expected to earn $81 billion for the full year.

The fifth oil giant, BP, was held responsible for the largest offshore oil spill in U.S. history and booked $39.9 billion in charges related to the disaster. Excluding special expenses like the Gulf of Mexico spill, analysts say the company will still earn $20.2 billion in 2010.

"There's nothing this industry can't survive," Oppenheimer & Co. analyst Fadel Gheit said.

The price of energy and other commodities shifted into high gear in late August when Federal Reserve Chairman Ben Bernanke signaled that the central bank was prepared to

stimulate the economy by buying government bonds. The $600 billion program didn't start until November, but speculators had already starting bidding up the value of asset classes like oil.

A further oil price spurt came in late November as it became clear that Congress was likely to extend for two more years tax cuts set to expire at the end of the year.

The Organization of Petroleum Exporting Countries is capable of raising output, if it needs to, by more than five million barrels per day. Still, Morgan Stanley estimates that the rising energy needs of China and other emerging economies will consume about half of that amount over the next two years. That could create supply pressures similar to those that preceded the price spike of 2008, when oil soared to $147 a barrel.

John Hofmeister, former president of Shell Oil and author of "Why We Hate The Oil Companies," predicts Americans will pay $5 per gallon for gasoline by 2012. Other experts say that's a long shot.

"That means oil close to $200" per barrel, analyst and trader Stephen Schork said. "We can see it, but we could also see a global depression, too."

In other Nymex trading Friday, natural gas for February delivery rose 6.7 cents to settle at $4.405 per 1,000 cubic feet. Unlike oil, natural gas prices are less than half where they were in 2008. That's due largely to the technological advances that allowed energy companies to unlock huge deposits in underground shale formations in the U.S.

Heating oil for January delivery rose 5.83 cents to settle at $2.5437 per gallon and gasoline for January delivery added 6.14 cents to settle at $2.4532 per gallon. In London, Brent crude increased $1.66 to settle at $94.75 per gallon.
 
Not good for boating.

Of course I still don't see why we have to pay Federal and State highway tax for marine fuel. :huh:

Some states have a program where you can re-claim a portion of the State Highway tax. Mine is not one of them.

Guess another good reason for a Diesel boat. Non-Road Tax fuel. :thumbsup:
 
Diesel has become more expensive than petrol in Australia, as more people switched to diesel so the price of diesel went up to compensate for the oil companies loss on petrol sales.
 
Our state allows the Marinas to get the rebate, but yet we still pay nearly $1/gal above road prices on our lake. So we have already paid near $4/gal for our gas. Diesel is way more.

Paul, diesel has also become more expensive here in the last couple years.
 
This is right up obama's alley-Got to sell those "Volt's"
 
I was at my marina yesterday (Long Island, NY) it was $4.95/gal. I can only assume with oil increasing the way it has I will be paying close to$5.50 by the summer!

It is still the least expensive part of boating, when compared to storage, winterizing and summer slip.

Its some hobby, huh?

Still can't wait for the warm weather.......
 
I agree s727. There is NO reason for this. Other than greedy, no good politicians and oil companies pushing to see how far they can go. Economic recovery????? WHERE???? Sure isnt in my part of the country. Incomes are very modest (usually less than 40k yr) where we live and alot of people have to choose between gas and nessecary goods, not to mention luxuries like boats. Citizens in this country better wake up and step up because we are on a VERY dangerous road. The economy will never recover if you keep digging deeper. And deeper we are getting, everyday. You can bet when the powers that be decide to lower the prices, they will come down a penny or two at a time even though they rose 10 to 20 cents at a time. If only common sense could be a prerequisite for political office what a difference it would make.....
 
I agree s727. There is NO reason for this. Other than greedy, no good politicians and oil companies pushing to see how far they can go. Economic recovery????? WHERE???? Sure isnt in my part of the country. Incomes are very modest (usually less than 40k yr) where we live and alot of people have to choose between gas and nessecary goods, not to mention luxuries like boats. Citizens in this country better wake up and step up because we are on a VERY dangerous road. The economy will never recover if you keep digging deeper. And deeper we are getting, everyday. You can bet when the powers that be decide to lower the prices, they will come down a penny or two at a time even though they rose 10 to 20 cents at a time. If only common sense could be a prerequisite for political office what a difference it would make.....

Look at what the Bakken Oil Shale holds but no one can drill there or the N. Slope or the Gulf of Mexico!!!!

http://www.usgs.gov/newsroom/article.asp?ID=1911
 
Not good for boating.

Of course I still don't see why we have to pay Federal and State highway tax for marine fuel. :huh:

Some states have a program where you can re-claim a portion of the State Highway tax. Mine is not one of them.

Guess another good reason for a Diesel boat. Non-Road Tax fuel. :thumbsup:

No refund in Idaho but a portion of the total gas tax collected statewide goes to WIF Grants (Waterways Improvement Fund). This is used for boater improvements like launch ramps, docks, mooring buoys, County Marine Patrols, etc. So it's not being pissed away out of the general fund. Doesn't help you wallet at the pump though!
 
Our boat club's gas was $2.89 in Sept and we still have 500 gallon left. We have underground storage and buy 1000 gallons at a time. We were able to stay no-ethanol last summer. Our road tax goes to the PA Fish & Boat Commission which really upsets some boaters. The fish get more $$$ than the boaters, Mike.

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I was at my marina yesterday (Long Island, NY) it was $4.95/gal. I can only assume with oil increasing the way it has I will be paying close to$5.50 by the summer!

It is still the least expensive part of boating, when compared to storage, winterizing and summer slip.

Its some hobby, huh?

Still can't wait for the warm weather.......


I'm with you, brother. The price of gas vs. the rewards of a day on the water make it a non-issue.

Lets go make a wake!
 
Agreed, but at 30 gallons per hour, I wonder if you'd be so cavalier.


I'd like to think that I would. I am happy for you to have the opportunity to be so extravagant.

My point is that you can miss some good times by focusing on the gas bill, the scratch on the gelcoat, and spots on the carpet. I would post pictures of my ride to prove that, but y'all would write me off as a neglectful boat owner!
 
Yes Scott I agree with you. @ 30GPH (and that's the most effecient cruise speed) times 5.00 bucks a gallon - 150 dollars an hour can take the fun out our beautiful boats.
 
Agreed, but at 30 gallons per hour, I wonder if you'd be so cavalier.


I too am sensitive to fuel prices but have to remember that recreation comes at a price. My feeling is that marriage counselors charge more than $ 120 per hour.
Hard to complain with a smile on my face :thumbsup::thumbsup:
 
True, but usually you don't go to a marriage counselor three or more times a week, and certainly not for 3 to 4 hours at a time.

I suspect our whaler will get the brunt of water time this year, while the 340 acts as a waterborne condo.


I am with you Scott! I figure on a lot of trip close by at low speed towing the SeaDoo and then running around in it. We do have a number of cruises planned some distance away but if we leave early enough we can putt slowly and conserve.

BTW, new name due to the fact I don't have a boat by that name any longer...
 
I don't see $100/bbl and somewhat higher as being too far from the truth. Unfortunately the third-world is radically increasing their oil consumption. Since middle eastern oil is controlled by a cartel and because other states are unable (such as mexico) or unwilling (such as the U.S.) to increase production, the oil supply and pricing has become over the past few decades much less elastic. Price inelasticity is a bad thing here. Inelasticity brings wild gyrations. So one should not be surprised if there is a wild run-up and then collapse (though smaller than last time) of oil in the commodity market.

So the forecast? Well the congresscritters seemed to find it within themselves to hold the line on the tax increase that was due to take effect yesterday. That's good. That increase would have been very damaging to the economy. However, because it's temporary and with a short duration, don't expect a net positive result. Therefore, when you add in the extra costs due to the new financial and banking system regulations, and the cost of obama-care, and the increased cost of oil and oil products, I'm still betting on 2011 being a worse year than 2010. 2012 should prove to be exciting.

Best regards,
Frank
 
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This ever increasing gas cost is giving me cold feet about moving up. 14gph at cruise vs. 25gph. Big tow vehicle as my daily driver vs. a small car. Either way you can't win.
 

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