340 Sundancer NEW to ME!

Hi im looking at a 2001 340DA, One owner like new in ohio , with 336hrs on engines 8.1s 370hp , 272 hr on genny, the boat was keep on lake cumberland has a bow cover and a lot of option , what is a boat like this worth if it surveyed good , i see prices as high as 110K and as low as 59K(mostly salt water boats in the lower ranges) I also seems that there are quite a few available/for sale, as aposed to formulas,PC, and other brands, this size.also it seems that a 320da/330da, is almost the same boat and for the same $$$ you can get a newer one of these ??????????????????????
 
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Good luck on the offer Scotty . Let us know when you hear the news. Can't wait til the first raft up.
 
Nothing yet. Got the confirmation on financing if we want to look at a newer more expensive 320 or 340 though. She did counter right away at 5K over my offer, but I declined and sent my offer back with an explanation about the cost of items I know the boat needs (full detail, bottom paint (prob.), zincs, unknowns on the pending survey, etc.).

So, I have not heard anything on that since. I am resolute I am getting a very good deal on this boat or there is no deal at all. :thumbsup:

There are a few others we like, but out of my comfort zone on cost. I hate the thought of paying a built in brokers fee and taxes already! :smt089 Where are the private sellers???:huh:
 
Here is an observation:

Negotiating a deal on anything bought or sold via a negotiated transaction is a lot like a game of tennis. Your offer put the ball in play, but refusing to counter her counter-offer, for whatever the reason, is like a tennis player catching the ball instead of returning it.....the game usually stops.

Your approach is forcing the seller to take it or leave it. It usually works better to allow the seller a small victory by raising your offer a little, pending the survey results.



I think it is unethical to use a survey as a planned renegotiation strategy, but the truth of the matter is that a boat being sold under these circumstances usually has a gotcha or 2 on the survey. You will be within your rights to tell the broker: "The survey found these items to be deficient, so I'm going to void the contract"........long pause...."However, if the seller will lower her price enough to help me with those repairs we will take the boat" Guess what is going to happen? Faced with letting a qualified buyer walk, or taking a little less money a seller will work with you, unless there is some unforseen factor like a loan balance to pay off to clear a lien at play.

So while we don't set out to do it, the survey clears up the uncertainty in buying a used boat, and also usually gives you the ability to renegotiate by the amount of the repairs needed to make the boat acceptible to you.

Hope your approach works........but if it doesn't, you might consider the above.

BTW..... just so you don't get antsy waiting for the broker to get back to you, the way it works is that you made an offer, the seller refused your offer and counter. You refused the counter offer and offered a defense for the offer you initially made. Technically, the deal is dead right now and the broker owes you nothing........but your deposit back.
 
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Thank you Frank, I appreciate your input. From what I have been told by many different parties and the surveyor she has been trying to unload this boat for a while and therefore the price has dropped accordingly. But is not taking into account the obvious maintenance issues she has let go. Most likely because her husband took care of these annual issues. I suppose I will give it another day and then write it off and look elsewhere. Like you mentioned, the broker only owes me the deposit back, no foul.
 
I agree with you 99% of the time, but have to go with Scotty on this one. If he was cheating her...forging her signature...threatening to take away her prescription drug benefit...or in any way taking unfair advantage, then he should be horsewhipped. However, he isn't a social welfare agency. He may have money, but probably hasn't got any that he would like to give to families other than his own. Its a buyer's market, in a capitalist society...she can walk, so can he.
 
You have utterly unquestionable credentials as a card carrying capitalist and I remain a fan. I hope the little old lady sells her depreciating asset at the best price she can, or starts to enjoy and maintain it herself to salvage the value curve. However, one other factor is that I have a fairly good idea that Scotty's check will actually clear.
 
Yeah...go team ME!! :smt038:smt038

No I am joking of course. I think we made a fair offer considering the age and the items pending survery on the boat. Considering there is no documentation of care (yet), positive on at least 5K worth of "must do's" just so i do not get heckled at the 1st raft up of the season, and my general propensity to be cheap.

To me, when you are talking a 70K to and 80K purchase, there are some risks and effort I am willing to accept on the low end I would not on the high end. I know there are other boats out there and believe me it is hard not to give in to the excitement and just agree so i can dive head first into fixing and updating items on my new "to me" 340!

I have to save some money to buy fenders to leave out and upgrade my radar to leave on!!!:lol::smt043:lol:

I always wanted children that glow in the dark!:smt038:thumbsup:
 
Hey do what you can. When my survey came back, I gave the broker the option of having the work done, or discount the boat price for the going rates for work to take care of all items that had to be fixed before entering service as stated by the surveyor. I got the boat for less and I am freezing my buns every weekend getting the work done before spring.

Good luck Scott.
 
Ok, if the process was not confusing enough, the individual persons 340 we bid on waited over the set period to respond to our counter offer. She wants my offer +5K and says she will handle the detailing of the boat and the cost of the survey? Still no mention of the bottom paint and zincs issue we know exists. Quite honestly, I think I would rather spend the money at my bid price and oversee the work myself. *Just judging by the condition she was trying to sell it in I think I am a bit more particular......:smt009:grin:

SO, we looked at a comparitive 99 340 that was very very well kept. The wife liked it a lot and he walked us though the boat and took us out on it (he is a captain). A little more than the "deal" I was working on, but my guess is less up front work. He knew all the service dates and it is a 1 owner boat will all original documentation.:smt101

Am I going to take anymore of a hit on value on a 99 than I would on a 2000? Probably a dumb question but the seem very similar to me. :huh::huh:
 
Scottzzzy said:
....says she will handle the detailing of the boat and the cost of the survey? ....


Am I going to take anymore of a hit on value on a 99 than I would on a 2000? Probably a dumb question but the seem very similar to me. :huh::huh:
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IMHO - Pay for your own survey. I have never understood why a buyer would want the seller to pay for the survey/inspection. I tell my buyer do you really want the seller to pay for the inspection, the inspector knows who is paying and who they are working for???

I would not think there would be that much difference in the 99 versus 00. Nice to know about the service history. ??? Was there a change in the models that year???
 
A 9 or a 10 year old boat? Forget the depreciation difference. Condition means everything on a used boat that old. You frequently see a 50% swing in prices between 2 boat of the same year/model so I can't get excited about one being 50% depreciated vs. a year older boat being 56% depreciated.


Pick the nicest and best maintained boat you can find, then bust your butt to keep it clean, serviced and in top shape and your depreciation question becomes moot.
 
chuck1 said:
I would not think there would be that much difference in the 99 versus 00. Nice to know about the service history. ??? Was there a change in the models that year???
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No difference at all, same look inside and out. And the 99 appears to be much better taken care of inside and out. When I mentioned to the guy I would still be getting my own survey he said that was fine, but he wanted to be there for the sea trial. He said he did not want someone "hot dogging" the boat. There was a small tear at one seam of the camper top, he said he let his friend help him wash the boat once and he leaned too heavy on the canvas top by the arch, so he would have that patched and stitched for me cause it was bugging him too. Eisenglass is nice and clear.

Good stuff to hear I think.
 
I would look for another comparable 340 if possible to see if the
first two are your best options. Without a third comparison, the 1999 sounds like a better boat if only because the owner has kept track of maintenance. I would consider this a good indicator that most if not all the required maintenance was done. Also if the guy is a captain means he most likely knows more about taking care of a boat than your little old lady.
 
Scottzzzy said:
Ok, if the process was not confusing enough, the individual persons 340 we bid on waited over the set period to respond to our counter offer. She wants my offer +5K and says she will handle the detailing of the boat and the cost of the survey? Still no mention of the bottom paint and zincs issue we know exists. Quite honestly, I think I would rather spend the money at my bid price and oversee the work myself. *Just judging by the condition she was trying to sell it in I think I am a bit more particular......:smt009:grin:

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So, to sum up, the boat needs a good cleaning and $500 in paint and zincs and other routine maintenance items, yet you are claiming that is the big reason you are 5k apart?

There are a lot of intangible benefits to a win-win deal. Striving for the win-lose deal is bad karma.
 
LTD.330 said:
So, to sum up, the boat needs a good cleaning and $500 in paint and zincs and other routine maintenance items, yet you are claiming that is the big reason you are 5k apart?

There are a lot of intangible benefits to a win-win deal. Striving for the win-lose deal is bad karma.
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$500 for bottom paint???? I need your guys number!

There are quite a few deficiencies in the history of the 2000 340 I mention earlier in the thread. I am banking $750 for the full detail and polish /wax, $1500 min for correct bottom painting, $350 zincs, Survey $1000, and items found on survey $1500 credit. Judging by what I have called about and read this is fairly reasonable. I think the 99 is the safer bet and overall better deal. All hanging on the complete survey though.:thumbsup:
 
Yeah, the sweet little old lady lost her soul mate of XX years and is forced to sell one of their passions. She braced herself for a beating, but she didn't plan on getting a bad taste in her mouth to boot. This world is all about balance. What goes around, comes around.
 
sfergson727 said:
like I said earlier, I think her dead husband may come back to haunt Scott.:smt043:smt043
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It is too bad really, that 340 is just sitting there and that can not be good for a boat lke that. I mean 5 hours total in the last 14 months??

I just know if it is to be my boat then I want to make sure everything gets the detail I want. I just do not think she will do the boat justice sending some 20 something detail guy in there and monitor it at arms length.
 
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