240DA AC Design Flaw

jg300da

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We spent our first weekend at a Marina away from home this weekend and got a major education as to the shortcomings of the factory AC install. I suspect this would also apply to the 260DA as well, though I'm not positive that the unit is installed in exactly the same location. I am told that it is. It was warm and humid so we had the AC on for the afternoon. About 6pm I went into the mid cabin and noticed a discoloration on the fabric of the cushions. When I touched it I knew it was from water. I immediately tasted to make sure it was fresh water. I removed the cushions which were both badly stained. While a friend dried the cushion covers in a dryer, another friend dried the foam inserts. I wiped up all the water from the mid cabin floor and removed the 20" x 30" panel just to the left of the AC unit. I could instantly see the problem. The condensate pan was full and overflowing.
Now, the way the unit is installed has it mounted about 2" higher at the back (aft) end, which is fine. The first problem is that while sitting back and looking at that side of the boat in profile it's obvious that the angle of the boat as it sits naturally in the water, easily overcomes that 2" elevation. The second problem was that the condensate line, which runs FORWARD to a sump pump located beneath the cabin steps, is also running uphill as it follows the natural angle of the boat floor. Both of these issues are compounded when people are sitting in the cockpit, making the aft end of the boat even lower.
Two things needed to be done to overcome these issues; first, the entire unit needs to be raised 3/4"-1" to give the condensate line more pitch to the sump pump. In addition, the rear of the unit needs another 3/4" of height to force the condensate towards the drain connection. This last point is critical when the unit is operating while there are people seated in the cockpit.
I voiced by displeasure to my customer service rep and he is in the process of arranging for two warranty cushions to be sent to me for replacement. I would urge all 240 and 260 owners to check their units before running the AC for a long length of time. I also intend to call Knoxville and Tellico tomorrow and speak to a technical advisor about this issue. It seems logical to me that perhaps the condensate should be routed aft, which is downhill, and exit in the bilge. I know that several manufacturers do this. Regal and Formula included. I don't like the idea of any water at all in my bilge, but it is a small price to pay to avoid all of the potential water damage that can easily occur should this happen again.
 
using word "logic" with boat designers from SR. It won't work.
they "made" boats on CAD programs and they looked good. They don;t care that something needs to be repaired, that you need to remove engine to change bilge pump or transducer.

I recommend to locate lowest point on AC tray and punch new hole and install new drain
Routing hose to bilge may introduce Carbon Monoxide to the cabin!!!
I prefer to sleep on wet cushion than be dead on dry one :)
 
boatmailster said:
using word "logic" with boat designers from SR. It won't work.
they "made" boats on CAD programs and they looked good. They don;t care that something needs to be repaired, that you need to remove engine to change bilge pump or transducer.

I recommend to locate lowest point on AC tray and punch new hole and install new drain
Routing hose to bilge may introduce Carbon Monoxide to the cabin!!!
I prefer to sleep on wet cushion than be dead on dry one :)

I know I'm not the sharpest tac in the box but wouldn't the holes at the bottom of the bilge do the same thing? I realise that your talking about the new design 240 but my bilge has a hole at the bottom that runs the length of the boat and ends up under the trash resepticle just above the the shower sump(in the cabin). Wouldn't this be more apt to introduce CO into the cabin vs. a 3/8" or 1/2" drain line? The engine isn't running so where's the CO coming from anyway? :huh:
 
jg300da,

You have this one nailed big as Dallas! I installed an after market A/C unit in our boat last year and quickly concluded that there was know way to route the condensate drain to the shower sump in a 240 without breaking the #1 plumbers rule. I ended up taking the condensate drain line back to the engine compartment and installing a second shower sump box to freeboard the water so it isn't sloshing around in the bilge.

Cheers,

Jim
 
RiverRat said:
boatmailster said:
The engine isn't running so where's the CO coming from anyway? :huh:

Sea Ray will protect own interest and wouldn't want to be responsible is somebody is hurt from running generator or even exhaust fumes coming from neighbouring boats. This is reasons that there is SR logo installed inside openings on swim platforms.
People had been hurt when dove under swim platforms and got overwhelmed with fumes.
USA - U (you) Sue Anybody
 
Sea Ray, for some reason, doesn't know how to mount a drain pan on AC units. I made some post over at SRO about this in my 480. The drain was in the FRONT of the pan so when the boat is running, the water just flows off the back of the pans. I have 6 units with drain pans and 4 of them had to be modified so water would not run out of them when underway. The drains should always be in the back of the pans and how the boat sits in the water under various circumstances should be accounted for. Sea Ray did not do this on my boat.... you are not alone.
 
anyway we should be happy
years ago factory installed optional AC units didn't have drains at all, just taller pan :)
 
boatmailster said:
RiverRat said:
boatmailster said:
The engine isn't running so where's the CO coming from anyway? :huh:

Sea Ray will protect own interest and wouldn't want to be responsible is somebody is hurt from running generator or even exhaust fumes coming from neighbouring boats. This is reasons that there is SR logo installed inside openings on swim platforms.
People had been hurt when dove under swim platforms and got overwhelmed with fumes.
USA - U (you) Sue Anybody

Sorry, what you stated in your previous post makes no sense to me... I thought we were talking about a 240 DA sitting in a slip that has no genny and the A/C leaks all over the interior when people walk around the boat.

The issue with the drain hose bringing CO into the cabin is still a mystery to me? :huh: And how is the drain hose a CO issue when the drain holes for the bilge are 1" plus in size and are not considered a threat and terminate in the cabin area??? I told you I'm not the sharpest tac in the box, I guess I just need a better explanation than what you've given...
 
nobody at sea ray cares that you using AC only at the dock.
one day you may decide to run the boat with wife and kids inside cabin and engine ('s) could be a source of CO
on a models from last few years there is no holes from cabin to bilge. any openings around wires, plumbing etc are completely sealed with silicone or expansion foam, any drains from cabin are direct overboard or to holding tank
I am not sure but I suspect that some regulations changed and that is reason for improvements. some models (not only from searay) are being recalled for some openings not being sealed.
 
Fred, I agree, CO should not be an issue as the AC will only be running at the dock on shorepower.

Jim, I'm glad it worked out for you. I just can't believe that any logical thinking person could posibly look at this and see that it cannot work as designed.
 
Great, something else for me to worry about. now I have to check where my AC drains :smt021

On a positive note. when i dumped a gallon of waste in my bildge, I noticed that the trash bin let the stink into the cabin. So I put some weather stripping around the edge to seal it better. :lol:
 
I also flush my engines into the bildge. the hot water from the engines really cleans the bildge up nicely.
 
JG

I can't honestly say whether this is a problem or not on my 260DA. I have used the airconditioner many times on my boat and have never noticed water in the mid cabin or on the cushions.........but then again I am not always checking back there. I was wondering if you took any pictures of the unit with the panel removed? Can you tell me the dimensions of the drip pan particularly how long and how high it is? It is a real hassle to remove that side panel on my boat to check out my unit.

Dave
 
Dave, I ran over there right after work yesterday and didn't have my camera with me, but I will be taking it back on Wednesday and I'll take some pics. I assume your unit is mounted in the same place and uses a similar configuration. Looking at how this is set up I just can't believe that this is an isolated situation.
 
TurtleTone said:
Great, something else for me to worry about. now I have to check where my AC drains :smt021

On a positive note. when i dumped a gallon of waste in my bildge, I noticed that the trash bin let the stink into the cabin. So I put some weather stripping around the edge to seal it better. :lol:

Somebody really needs to show you how the pump out works!!! :lol:

BTW, your ac drains into the shower sump under your newly sealed trash bin! :wink:
 
TurtleTone said:
I also flush my engines into the bildge. the hot water from the engines really cleans the bildge up nicely.

After dumping a gallon of waste in there I'm glad you found some way of cleaning it out! :grin: :lol:
 
jg300da said:
Dave, I ran over there right after work yesterday and didn't have my camera with me, but I will be taking it back on Wednesday and I'll take some pics. I assume your unit is mounted in the same place and uses a similar configuration. Looking at how this is set up I just can't believe that this is an isolated situation.

I think some pictures will be very valuable. I will take a level over to my boat today and put it on the floor of my mid-cabin just to see how mine sits at rest in the water because it probably is draining from the front of the condensate pan as well. I certainly hope this isn't a widespread problem but I can see how a mounting like you are describing could cause leakage. Conversly if you had a boat with a generator and were running your A/C while underway, I would think the condensate water would definitely head to the back of the condensate pan and probably overflow if the outlet plumbing wasn't at the back. :smt021
 

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