420/44 DB Owners Club

I would pm Carver370, he helped me a few years back on my Dad's boat. Pretty sure he would do the same for you.
 
I don't have comps but I can tell you I sold my 2006 44DB this past April for $260k. It had every available option from Sea Ray that year except the factory hydraulic lift and bridge air (very very few had these options). I think there were 305 hours on the mains. There was also an '07 sold around the same time at about $280k, I think. I would imagine this winter sales of '04's will be under $200k, '05's $200-225k and '06's $200-265k. Asks may be a lot higher but those sellers are either underwater or near it or not serious. A broker might be of more help with other actuals but that was my experience and observations, as much of a single point of view that it is and for what it's worth....good luck.

sb in gp said:
Does anyone know of a broker that would be willing to pull comps on recent 420 DB sales for boats between 2004-2006? Please PM me if you do, thanks.

Scott
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Man, I hope Brian's numbers are right! I've been watching these boats for the last 2 years and plan to make a move this spring. We haven't gotten to the negotiation point so I don't know how far the sellers would come down on ones that fit my criteria. There is an '05 local to me that went under contract before our appointment to see it. He was listed at $250k and agreed to $225k then the deal fell through due to condition. The broker even admits that the boat is rough so we crossed it off our list. This is now the lowest on the market at $229k. I check Yachtworld every day and the prices are pretty stagnant even on ones that have been for sale for over a year.


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bmac said:
I don't have comps but I can tell you I sold my 2006 44DB this past April for $260k. It had every available option from Sea Ray that year except the factory hydraulic lift and bridge air (very very few had these options). I think there were 305 hours on the mains. There was also an '07 sold around the same time at about $280k, I think. I would imagine this winter sales of '04's will be under $200k, '05's $200-225k and '06's $200-265k. Asks may be a lot higher but those sellers are either underwater or near it or not serious. A broker might be of more help with other actuals but that was my experience and observations, as much of a single point of view that it is and for what it's worth....good luck.
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Brian, Your numbers are low compared to what I found that sold in the last year in the 2004-2005 year boats. Not saying your wrong, just the data I was given was not consistent with your findings. Here is what I found:

- 10 sales recorded in 2013
- Avg listing price $276,808
- Avg selling price $255,326
- Avg days on the market 124 (removed two with an unusual deviation)

There was no significant difference between salt and fresh water.

Scott
 
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Hello what a great thread, thanks Alex F. for starting this and all of you for the great info, this has to be the first time I have ever read a entire thread from first post to last......very cold in Michigan and this helped turn my mind towards warmer days. With that said, I would love to join this club but first have to make the deal on a 2005 420db w/the Cummins 480's , seems like a popular move up from the 320da but I think it is time, first I have to convince the Admiral on the bridge style boat so we are going to look at one this Saturday.

Sb & Brian your recent posts help a lot with the current selling prices because this one is priced at 299.999 and I would like to see it down around 235 - 240,000 because I'm probably going to take a big hit when I have to sell my 320 or trade it.

It's a little scary going from gas to diesels but after reading many treads on CSR I think I'll be fine, besides my John Deere & Ford Super Duty are both diesels just seems fitting the boat be.

i would appreciate any input as to what I should ask or look for going into this purchase, of course a complete survey and sea trial. It's such a beautiful boat and with soooo many shinny things, as a person with A D D I get sidetracked:grin:

Thanks in advance for any:smt100!,
Jeff
 
Has anyone had to remove and reseal part of their boats rub rail? My maintenance guys said that while cruising at higher speeds water is coming in through the boats seam near the stern on the starboard side. There is a damaged section of rub rail in that area (from previous owner).
 
Jeff, a couple of months ago I went from a 300DA to a 400DB with Cummins. In short it's very exciting to have something new to learn about, including the diesels. Don't be afraid of the change, look forward to it.
 
Oh ha, change is good for the soul and mind but rough on the pocket book. I'm looking forward to all the new adventures and like someone else posted after a little time on the water & drinks with friends....well I'll just let the name of my current boat speak for me on that. Maybe the new boat should be "No More Regrets"
 
Hope all is well. I am in the process of replacing my fresh water pump. ( 44 Searay DB 2008.) Factory installed Shurflo 5901-0201 started the same old issues all talk about. The pump started to increase pressure and drive water out through the hot water relief valve. I have adjusted it twice and still the pressure will increase overtime. Two questions: anyone ever fixed one and two what would you say is the best pump system to replace. I called Shurflo and they tell me this pump has a history of this and this is why they stop making it. They replaced it with 4158-153-E75. Little history and not to bore all. This pump I have now is a new style electronic type pump. Works great and quit. Speed adjusts to use and so on. The E75 goes back to using a bypass when turned on and runs wide open all the time. I hear they are loud even thou they are advertised as quite. Thanks for any feedback and will post on my web for others as well.
 
J.Wilt said:
....i would appreciate any input as to what I should ask or look for going into this purchase, of course a complete survey and sea trial. ....
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Jeff,

Welcome to the club and soon to be 420/44DB owner.

In general I don't know any specific area/components that would qualify as "weak" for the model and require extra attention during the survey. As long as you follow proper basic purchase/vessel check process you should be fine. As you may know, one of the primary items is the maintenance history. If you follow the conservative approach I've learned while back from Frank W. "if you don't have a record assume it's not done and address the item" you most likely will stay clear from majority of the potential issues.

- Make sure to have properly worded contingency in the contract, in case you have to back out of the deal based on results of your findings.
- Get as much of maintenance records as possible to draw a comfortable conclusion on how the boat was maintained.
- Depending on the vessel hours, find Cummins scheduled maintenance guide for that time frame and see what was done and what's pending. Heat exchangers and aftercoolers are most expensive maintenance items. If they were never done and hours/age calls for it, make sure to add it to your budget.
- Have reputable Cummins Certified tech perform survey on the engines and do all 5 oil samples.
- Find reputable hull surveyor. Having good surveyors for vessel health check is one of the most important things in the purchase process. So, spend extra time and don't try to save $$$ on a good surveyors.
- If a vessel is equipped with extra gear like hydraulic lift, make sure surveyor checks it in detail, but most surveyors know it without saying.

Good luck and let us know if you have specific questions.
 
Check underneath the outboard berth in the guest stateroom for lead or other forms of ballast to offset the known starboard listing problem with this model. If there is ballast on the boat, that is the most likely place it will be found. To be clear: there is nothing wrong with the ballast, per se, but it will let you know if this particular boat had the listing problem.

Certainly not a deal breaker… more of a "nice to know".
 
Alex F said:
Jeff,

Welcome to the club and soon to be 420/44DB owner.

In general I don't know any specific area/components that would qualify as "weak" for the model and require extra attention during the survey. As long as you follow proper basic purchase/vessel check process you should be fine. As you may know, one of the primary items is the maintenance history. If you follow the conservative approach I've learned while back from Frank W. "if you don't have a record assume it's not done and address the item" you most likely will stay clear from majority of the potential issues.

- Make sure to have properly worded contingency in the contract, in case you have to back out of the deal based on results of your findings.
- Get as much of maintenance records as possible to draw a comfortable conclusion on how the boat was maintained.
- Depending on the vessel hours, find Cummins scheduled maintenance guide for that time frame and see what was done and what's pending. Heat exchangers and aftercoolers are most expensive maintenance items. If they were never done and hours/age calls for it, make sure to add it to your budget.
- Have reputable Cummins Certified tech perform survey on the engines and do all 5 oil samples.
- Find reputable hull surveyor. Having good surveyors for vessel health check is one of the most important things in the purchase process. So, spend extra time and don't try to save $$$ on a good surveyors.
- If a vessel is equipped with extra gear like hydraulic lift, make sure surveyor checks it in detail, but most surveyors know it without saying.

Good luck and let us know if you have specific questions.
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Thanks for the feedback !!
-The boat listing shows 660 hrs so I don't know where that falls into the maintenance schedule?
-Can you elaborate on what 5 oils you are talking about?
-On my 320 I put my trust into a friend who sold it to us and did't bother with the surveys, never had any issues :)
so Have to ask a real stupid question...are the surveys done before we agree on the selling price?
 
Cummins C series maintenance calls for valve lash adjustment and engine coolant flush/change at 600 hrs. So see if those have been done recently. Not a deal breaker by any means. Just means its the first thing you would need to do. Check for records of annual or at worst semi-annual flush/clean of turbo aftercoolers, transmission oil coolers and coolant heat exchangers and replacement of impellers. Again, not deal breakers but if not done recently then you would need to do them to baseline the maintenance schedule. General protocol is to agree on price first then do survey. Then use survey results to renegotiate price or get things fixed at sellers expense or even back put of the purchase. Your contract language should let you back out if you don't like anything.
 
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J.Wilt said:
Thanks for the feedback !!
-The boat listing shows 660 hrs so I don't know where that falls into the maintenance schedule?
-Can you elaborate on what 5 oils you are talking about?
-On my 320 I put my trust into a friend who sold it to us and did't bother with the surveys, never had any issues :)
so Have to ask a real stupid question...are the surveys done before we agree on the selling price?
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Here's the maintenance schedule:

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As Bill pointed out, valves adjustment should be one of the priority items. Don't forget the generator's valves while they at it. It's very inexpensive procedure, but might cost arm and a leg if you don't do it.

5 oil samples are two engines, two transmissions and the generator.

Make sure the boat performs to the specs, the WOT baseline is 28kts at 2600RPMs (min. 3 people on board, 1/2 water, 1/3-1/2 fuel), if she does better it would be a huge plus.

The final price you agree on assumes that the boat performs to the specs and all checks out fine. Whatever doesn't pass the survey (there are always number of items), you're back to negotiation table. If nothing major, it's better to take the credit for the repairs and handle them under your supervision, unless you and the seller agree to use reputable party you're comfortable with for doing the repairs at sellers expense. There could be a case "take it as-is or it's a no deal". This is where you'll have to make the decision if the items found are worth including in your budget, if in general the boat is in grate shape.

P.S. this is not a vessel you buy from a friend and he says "she's in great shape, save your survey money", unless he's a very much a true friend you know for years and years who has great knowledge of the boat and it was always pampered (maintenance wise).
 
Thanks for all the great info!
Alex I assumed you were doubling up the engines, transmissions & including the generator for the oils but thought I should dbl check.
Now the hard part.....my wife.... has to fall in love with it.:smt038 She has always referred to all my boats as the 'Other Women' in my life because of the time I put into them.

Thanks again, will keep you updated:thumbsup:
 
I'm about to join the 420 DB ranks.

Offer accepted on the 2005 420. Sold the 320 by owner. Survey happened today and everything checked out. Should get the oil samples done next week.

The boat is on Lake Michigan, so I've got a spring trip to plan to bring it around the mitten.

I'll have lots of questions for you guys. New to diesels so be gentle.
 
Congratulations on your new purchase, sounds like the same boat I was looking at! That is a beautiful boat and looks think PO took good care of it.
Enjoy:thumbsup:
 
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