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Damn it. I hope you all don’t agree to disagree. I have enjoyed reading this thread.
It's not a matter of 'opinion'.... Either Military Aid was withheld or it wasn't.

As I demonstrated in an earlier post, liberal outlets last year claimed that Ukraine Military Aid was withheld, which was slated for distribution on Feb 28th 2019 (see below from VOX). Slated distribution for Military Aid didn't start in "May", as some on here want you to believe. This was approved in Sept 2018 and the 1st phase was set to start in February of 2019. So, if that was the case, and Military Aid was withheld in February, Joe Biden didn't enter the race until April of 2019. So, how could there be a Quid Pro Quo?

However, we know that in fact, Military Aid "was" distributed, in 2 phases. Tranche 1 & Tranche 2. The part that seems to escape Iprof, or he just plain refuses to except because of blind partisan hatred, is the Military Aid process didn't start in May. He posted an official document claiming it as "PROOF" that Aid was withheld, not knowing that what he posted was the 2nd phase or Tranche 2. It says it right in the document on page3. See for yourself. https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6593035-2019-05-23-Rood-DoD-Notification-on-USAI.html
Phase 1 or Tranche 1 was already being distributed which started in February. Each phase or Tranche equals $125million dollars in assets for a total of $250m. (that's weird, $250m is what Schiff was discussing in his subpoena) Again, this is why the Ukrainians never realized Military Aid was temporarily withheld from the 2nd phase, because they were receiving Military Aid from the 1st phase.

I also was given a hit piece from Iprof showing emails from the OMB. 192 pages of emails for that matter. That hit piece doesn't direct you to "any email" in particular, but relies on you the reader not to actually scan the document and just take their word for it. They imply in their article that the OMB's due diligence is proof of a Quid Pro Quo. I scanned it, and there's nothing of the sort.

When I asked Iprof if he agreed with the Democrat Subpoena, he never gave an answer. You know why, because the subpoena discuss's this $250m as not being delivered. However as in typical Democrat lawyer fashion, it uses selective & deceptive in wording.
https://intelligence.house.gov/uplo...eec_engel_schiff_to_esper-dod_re_subpoena.pdf
But that was enough for the MSM. They went guns a'blazin'!! MSM went on to tell the world that Trump held ALL Military Aid, not mentioning one word of Tranche's or implemented phases. Here's an example:
“The Trump administration initially told Congress it was releasing the aid to Ukraine on February 28. It repeated that assertion to Congress again on May 23, but failed to explain to lawmakers but struggled to explain — both publicly and to the lawmakers who approved the aid — exactly why the funds were withheld.”
https://www.vox.com/policy-and-poli...p-withhold-aid-ukraine-timeline-whistleblower
From leftist VOX
Everyone thought that Military Aid was withheld. Hell, I even thought that.

So I asked Iprof - which is it - was military aid withheld or did it get delivered? But apparently, according to him, I'm clueless and lack facts, so I don't deserve an answer.

Long of the short of it, Ukraine received ALL of it's Military Aid, on time. Everything else is just noise that was started from a fake whistleblower with 3rd hand knowledge of the Trump / Zelensky phone call. I'm glad this nonsense is over today. Spring and Summer can't get here quick enough.
 
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LOL !! There was nothing in that report you posted. No evidence....just "assumptions" of emails. So "AGAIN" PLEASE POINT OUT AN EMAIL that demonstrates MILITARY AID was purposely WITHHELD as a Quid Pro Quo. I'll save you the wasted time - YOU WON'T FIND IT. I read the EMAILS - YOU OBVIOUSLY DIDN'T.

I understand why you won't discuss it further, because you have no idea what you are discussing and are using old, worn out, MSM talking points. Obviously you don't even read the documents you posted. You won't agree with the Democrat Subpoena I provided, you provided a 192 page document that had emails from the OMB discussing process and lunch, and then you gave me the authorization document for the 2nd round of Military Aid for Ukraine, or Tranche 2. You have proved nothing, just like your beloved hack Democrats in the House. I almost feel sorry for you.

The Democrats and MSM LOVE YOU!! They expect people like you not to actually read and understand what is really happening. They rely on people like you to just run with MSM talking points and Fake News.

Thank you for proving my point.

I can explain this more to you, I just can't understand it for you.

Nice rant again

Please show me where I talk about a Quid Pro quo. As I have said and the government documents PROVE the aid was approved by congress vetted by the Pentagon then blocked by Trump once a Whistleblowers complaint was filed Trump released the funds 2 days later. As the AOG report stated Trump broke the law by stopping the funds.

You can find these facts in documents already posted
 
Nice rant again

Please show me where I talk about a Quid Pro quo. As I have said and the government documents PROVE the aid was approved by congress vetted by the Pentagon then blocked by Trump once a Whistleblowers complaint was filed Trump released the funds 2 days later. As the AOG report stated Trump broke the law by stopping the funds.

You can find these facts in documents already posted

Nice spinning......

You've submitted two documents. "Please" read above the breakdown of those documents that I read. One was a hack piece "implying" (please forgive me Iprof, Democrat's have moved on from the term Quid Pro Quo which started this buffoonery ) "the president’s attempt to pressure Ukraine to launch a political investigation". So now you don't support that piece you posted? I suppose it's bribery - should I have said that?

The other was Tranche 2, which I surmise you had no idea of what you were posting.

You have yet to provide any documentation that proves Trump withheld funds to pressure Ukraine. You have also yet to provide any documentation to prove that Ukraine didn't receive any of the $250m in Military Aid during the time frame slotted.......nada
 
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Nice rant again

Please show me where I talk about a Quid Pro quo. As I have said and the government documents PROVE the aid was approved by congress vetted by the Pentagon then blocked by Trump once a Whistleblowers complaint was filed Trump released the funds 2 days later. As the AOG report stated Trump broke the law by stopping the funds.

You can find these facts in documents already posted
Iprof, Just give up on these KNUCKLEHEADS, they will argue with you til the cows come home...…..TRUMP is always right, NEVER did anything wrong......lol
 
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Iprof, Just give up on these KNUCKLEHEADS, they will argue with you til the cows come home...…..TRUMP is always right, NEVER did anything wrong......lol On a positive note it looks like Rush (druggie) Limbaugh's days are numbered......


He looked horrible was surprised he made it through last night. It's amazing how the Trump lovers refuse to acknowledge government documents even GOP Senators have admitted what Trump did was wrong but not impeachable. It is more than obvious Trumps intent. Telling a foreign leader talk to my lawyer Rudy. Lol Trump got caught again and his legacy is he was impeached.
 
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He looked horrible was surprised he made it through last night. It's amazing how the Trump loves refuse to acknowledge government documents even GOP Senators have admitted what Trump did was wrong but not impeachable. It is more than obvious Trumps intent. Telling a foreign leader talk to my lawyer Rudy. Lol Trump got caught again and his legacy is he was impeached.
Rudy...….Now there's a real piece of work...….:rolleyes:
 
He looked horrible was surprised he made it through last night. It's amazing how the Trump loves refuse to acknowledge government documents even GOP Senators have admitted what Trump did was wrong but not impeachable. It is more than obvious Trumps intent. Telling a foreign leader talk to my lawyer Rudy. Lol Trump got caught again and his legacy is he was impeached.
Trump makes me miss GWB and Obama, we're going down to the bottom of the barrel now.....:p I did redact the piece on Rush, my apologies......My bad....
 
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I remember when you far right wingnuts supported Romney,...….Oh how times have changed, The flip flp party has risen...……:D If you don't stand side by side with TRUMPSTER you are officially booted from the team, John Kelly, Maddog Mattis, amoung others, but hey, I'm Trump I know more than all these generals...……………...that's a line of shit if there ever was one...…..keeps sucking that nasty NY air in when he speaks...…….:)
 
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Nice spinning......

You've submitted two documents. "Please" read above the breakdown of those documents that I read. One was a hack piece "implying" (please forgive me Iprof, Democrat's have moved on from the term Quid Pro Quo which started this buffoonery ) "the president’s attempt to pressure Ukraine to launch a political investigation". So now you don't support that piece you posted? I suppose it's bribery - should I have said that?

The other was Tranche 2, which I surmise you had no idea of what you were posting.

You have yet to provide any documentation that proves Trump withheld funds to pressure Ukraine. You have also yet to provide any documentation to prove that Ukraine didn't receive any of the $250m in Military Aid during the time frame slotted.......nada
So what if he did. Biden and his kid where knee deep in shenanigans. They deserve to be investigated.
 
I remember when you far right wingnuts supported Romney,...….Oh how times have changed, The flip flp party has risen...……:D If you don't stand side by side with TRUMPSTER you are officially booted from the team, John Kelly, Maddog Mattis, amoung others, but hey, I'm Trump I know more than all these generals...……………...that's a line of shit if there ever was one...…..keeps sucking that nasty NY air in when he speaks...…….:)
Actually nobody supported Romney. He was the craphead establishment candidate who got is arse kicked by Candy Crowley.

And it's not that he knows "more" than the Generals. But he skeptical of all their crap. It's a proven fact that the military brass has been lying. First in Vietnam (and probably before) and now in Afghanistan.
 
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Nice rant again

Please show me where I talk about a Quid Pro quo. As I have said and the government documents PROVE the aid was approved by congress vetted by the Pentagon then blocked by Trump once a Whistleblowers complaint was filed Trump released the funds 2 days later. As the AOG report stated Trump broke the law by stopping the funds.

You can find these facts in documents already posted
The issue isn't whether Trump held up the aid, he can do that. The issue is 'why, for what purpose' and on that Pelosi and her hit men did not prove their case.
 
The issue isn't whether Trump held up the aid, he can do that. The issue is 'why, for what purpose' and on that Pelosi and her hit men did not prove their case.

Of course they proved their case and many Republican Senators said there was no need for further witnesses because they had proven their case and witnesses would not add to the facts but the offence did not warrant removal from office. I think this late in Trumps term the people deciding come Nov. is the best out come for the Dems and the worse for the Gop.
I bet Bolton is served a subpoena in the next few weeks.
 
Of course they proved their case and many Republican Senators said there was no need for further witnesses because they had proven their case and witnesses would not add to the facts but the offence did not warrant removal from office. I think this late in Trumps term the people deciding come Nov. is the best out come for the Dems and the worse for the Gop.
I bet Bolton is served a subpoena in the next few weeks.
Bolton could have been served that subpoena 2 months ago when this chit show started. The house didn't to their job and paid the price. And my money is on the fact that Bolton's "testimony" won't be as "damming" as portrayed.
 
So what if he did. Biden and his kid where knee deep in shenanigans. They deserve to be investigated.
So what have a government investigation you don't have your lawyer running a rogue operation with a foreign government and hold back military aid that was just dumb.
 
Bolton could have been served that subpoena 2 months ago when this chit show started. The house didn't to their job and paid the price. And my money is on the fact that Bolton's "testimony" won't be as "damming" as portrayed.
They could have had a recording of Trump saying to the Ukraine President no investigation no aid and the out come would have been exactly the same. This was for the voters that were undecided, that voted for a businessman to run the country but he never became Presidential. The voters will decide as they should.

They would have been in court for months fighting to get Bolton to testify because Trump would and will block it. The Dems will use that to their advantage.
 

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