You may need to clarify your question as I was not able to parse it. As far as build certificate, I would think the "HIN# , build date and ship date with all boat options" report would be sufficient. They basically just need to verify the net tonnage. That value can be calculated by taking some measurements and you can google how to do that.

 

Yeah I don't have the commercial endorsement, so it sounds like it may be more stringent. They do have documentation services that know how to wind their way through the red tape. Any decent boat broker should be able to put you in touch with an expert.

 

I think you’re a Little off track. Are you attempting to get your boat certified as an inspected vessel? If so it’s not possible as an inspected vessel must be built to a certain level. You can charter your boat up to 6 paying customers with a OUPV license.

You cannot have more then this without being registered as an inspected vessel (other then party boats, which I completely disagree with) and it’s not financially possible to get your boat inspected. When I say not possible I mean to have an inspected vessel is a build process conforming to standards and having inspections along the way. (Think ship building).

the CFR’s are challenging to read and finding the material is tough but it’s much easier if you have a printed copy so try the library or a marine Captain’s school.

Lastly, yes you can get your Master’s license which allows you to captain America inspected vessel but it does not allow you to take more than 6 customers on a non inspected vessel.

*Edit: I see you are simply looking for a fisheries endorsement on your certificate of documentation. A letter from SeaRay should suffice here. They specifically want to know your boat is built in the USA so that should be easy. This will allow you to bring fish back to the USA from international waters and notes that you have this endorsement backed by the federal government. Btw : there is a chat function on the nvdc website and the folks on the other end are top notch.

 

 

Hello,

I have my 100 ton masters, this and the nys dec permits for the boat. The issue is because the boat is over 5 net tons it needs to be documented. If the boat was smaller it wouldn’t be an issue at all. My smaller boat a few years back wasn’t a thought, I use my captains license more for work and this season figured to License this boat up to offset some running costs by doing some charting here and there. Thanks for your input

 

Boats over 5 net tons can be documented but it’s not required. What is making it required is the use of your license as a commercial fishing vessel. Regardless of your Master’s license you still can only take 6 paying customers unless the boat is an inspected vessel.

Congrats on your Master’s license btw. It’s great to have Captains on the site!

Josh

 

Boats over 5 net tons can be documented but it’s not required. What is making it required is the use of your license as a commercial fishing vessel. Regardless of your Master’s license you still can only take 6 paying customers unless the boat is an inspected vessel.

Congrats on your Master’s license btw. It’s great to have Captains on the site!

Josh

Yes I am aware of the 6pack designation thank you

 

Update: I received the official build letter when in 2 hours after email was sent from an address I found searching this site. Thank you for the info
tkerr@searay.com Was the email address

 

If you could share that address on this post, i bet future people would appreciate it!

 

tkerr@searay.com

 

A little info for members who want to document a recreational vessel. What the OP needed is variously referred to as a Master Builders Certificate (CG form 1261) or if used to register a boat with a state, A Manufacturers Certificate of Origin (MCO) or Manufacturers Statement of Origin (MSO) before the late 90's manufacturers did not routinely issue one of these to a buyer unless they new before hand the boat was to be documented. In that case they would give the new owner a CG-1261. However, as states started titling boats, the registration offices in the states began demanding (yes that's the right word) a MSO or MCO in order to register the boat. Now boat manufacturers routinely give you an MSO or MCO. For CG documentation see https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/DCO Documents/NVDC/INITIAL.pdf?ver=2018-12-28-130935-913

Where this becomes an issue is older boats that have been registered with a state, but never documented with the Coast Guard. It is especially a problem when the manufacturer or builder is no longer in business. In cases like this it is best to hire a documentation service to handle all the paper work, and establish a chain of ownership of the boat since it was built. Fortunately Sea Ray has records and can issue you a Builders Certificate. But a lot, and I do mean a lot ,of manufacturers don't have those kinds of records. When i was working in the CG Office of Boating Safety we used to get questions like this quite frequently, and assisted many people to get the documents they need, even though we had no mandate to do so. Customer Service.

 

A little info for members who want to document a recreational vessel. What the OP needed is variously referred to as a Master Builders Certificate (CG form 1261) or if used to register a boat with a state, A Manufacturers Certificate of Origin (MCO) or Manufacturers Statement of Origin (MSO) before the late 90's manufacturers did not routinely issue one of these to a buyer unless they new before hand the boat was to be documented. In that case they would give the new owner a CG-1261. However, as states started titling boats, the registration offices in the states began demanding (yes that's the right word) a MSO or MCO in order to register the boat. Now boat manufacturers routinely give you an MSO or MCO. For CG documentation see https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/DCO Documents/NVDC/INITIAL.pdf?ver=2018-12-28-130935-913

Where this becomes an issue is older boats that have been registered with a state, but never documented with the Coast Guard. It is especially a problem when the manufacturer or builder is no longer in business. In cases like this it is best to hire a documentation service to handle all the paper work, and establish a chain of ownership of the boat since it was built. Fortunately Sea Ray has records and can issue you a Builders Certificate. But a lot, and I do mean a lot ,of manufacturers don't have those kinds of records. When i was working in the CG Office of Boating Safety we used to get questions like this quite frequently, and assisted many people to get the documents they need, even though we had no mandate to do so. Customer Service.

Ike that is great information. I am in the same boat as the previous Captain. I have a Charter business and ran up on a 1986 390 Sedan Sportfisher with Cat Diesels. Looks to be a great charter boat and it is documented and at present is at the USCG Documentation Center being exchanged into my name. I am trying to contact Sea Ray to get the Builders Certificate. I assume this is all that will be required to obtain these endorsements? Hopefully I am not missing something. According to the site they are only in November for exchange of Documentation so hopefully when and if I get this Builders certificate I can get this transferred to the commercial stack which is moving along pretty quickly. I normally when buying a new boat ask for Priority Handling at the top of CG-1258. Any advice would be welcome.

 

Correct. You cannot get your searay certified as a t boat. It’s a build process thing. It has to meet tons of standards in build materials, quality, fire rating... etc.

 

My boat was documented when I bought it.
I filled out the paperwork myself and submitted it to the USCG to transfer ownership to me. Very easy to do.

 

Our boat was documented amd the paperwork sent to CG at point of sale. 1.5yrs later I have not recieved the new insp cert. Anyone know how to deal with this situation? Other than a blind call to the beuracracy?

TIA

 

First the good news. Sea Ray is usually very helpful with things of this nature. And they might be willing to send you a CG form 1261 if you send them the form or the link to download the form. https://unitedstatesvessel.us/CG_1261.pdf. Or if the boat was documented before then the CG-1258 https://www.dco.uscg.mil/Portals/9/DCO Documents/NVDC/CG-1258.pdf?ver=2017-05-09-113142-067.
Now for the bad news. 1n 1986 recreational boats were not titled and so manufacturers did not issue Builder certificates (or Certificate of Origins). So, they won't have one on file. If this is a bareboat charter or six pack (OUPV) then the boat only needs to be registered or documented as a recreational boat. If you want to carry more it will be difficult. Carrying more than six requires an inspected vessel. Most recreational boats cannot meet the inspected vessel requirements and the cost of bringing them up to the inspected vessel requirements is usually so much it just isn't worth it.

I hope all goes smoothly and Sea Ray helps with the CG_1261. Last I heard the documentation center was very back logged because of COVID.

 

This is going to be a six pack state water boat in Florida. It was a concern that I may not be able to place a Florida Charter license on the boat without the commercial documentation/Fishery designation. Should this be a problem?

 

I honestly do not know what Florida requires. If you don't want to talk to Florida Fish and Wildlife at this point (you will have to eventually) you might get some answers on another forum https://www.thehulltruth.com/ Most of the folks on that forum are in Florida and some of them are commercial operators. However, be prepared, it can at times be a rough and tumble forum.

 

Im an old school Captain......I can be rough back Thank You for the assistance.

 

This company is in your neck of the woods. She has been helpful, but the USCG is behind (COVID), so not a quick process.
If you end up needing an assist getting your USCG documentation contact Carrie at;
Carrie Schmidt
President
Annapolis Yacht Documentation
6 Dock Street
Annapolis, MD 21401
443-949-9462
443-949-9759 fax
www.aydserv.com

 

https://www.boatus.com/news-room/re...s-certificate-of-documen?utm_source=bmag&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=magazine

5 year renewal period !!!

 

Great news! Bad news is I just renewed in March.

 

Thanks. Good info. Owners documenting their boats should also be aware that due to the Pandemic things have slowed down a lot at NVDC and it may take a much longer time before you get your documentation. I spoke to one person who said it took six months but I think it was due to the boat being an unusual case. He bought a vessel that was owned by state of California that had never been registered or documented (a public vessel) and the builder was long out of business. I would think no more than 2 or three months right now.

 

My renewal came in just a couple of weeks. M

 

Renewed mine online on Saturday, arrived in the mail today. Somebody has their act together.

 

A word of caution to anyone using a doc service to handle their USCG paperwork .....

In my case it was "included" in the closing paperwork. Between the seller's broker and the doc service they used, it has turned into an absolute CLUSTER----

Over six months later and I'm still fighting to get it resolved.

The doc service tried to throw the USCG under the bus, saying they "lost" the app, but I had nice long call with a USCG officer and she implied (w/o coming right out and saying) that the doc service is FOS and they never submitted it in the first place. All I want to do is get out on the water

Caveat Emptor.

 

same thing happened to the previous owner on our boat, they only owned it for a year and the doc company lost their app and never issued it. I ended up registering it in my name directly with the CG and it took about 5 months from submission

 

Renewed mine online on Saturday, arrived in the mail today. Somebody has their act together.

Any chance you can work magic on my transfer application? Something tells me Maureen Max taking 7 months to do this might be a world record. It's not like I'm launching next week with no registration or anything. Or that MM charges you $500 to do a $100 app and manages to NOT do it.

 

I received my USCG documentation renewal in early May, plenty of time before my expiration date at the end of June. I fill out the appropriate documents and submit a multi year renewal via email as directed. I received an electronic receipt of documents being received.

A few weeks go by and I do not see my documents being worked on by checking on the online tool https://cgmix.uscg.mil/VDS/SearchAndReturn/Search.aspx

I call and speak to someone at the NVDC and they say they cannot find my documents. They ask me to resubmit which I do. I also requested they call me back to confirm. They indeed called the next day to confirm receipt, but told me they cannot expedite it. It took about 2.5 weeks for them to process the renewal and I am expecting to receive my new multi-year documentation by the end of the month.

Just a word of caution to follow up on any documents you submit to the NVDC.

 

Don't feel bad mine took 7 months

One thing I don't like about that lookup system is that it will show your docs in progress, but once they are done, they disappear instead of saying done/complete/etc.

 

I receive the renewal notice in the mail, sign it, put a check in the envelope. 2-3 weeks later I get the new documentation.....every time, so far.

 

some how my renewal was lost in the system a while ago. Could have been the mail but I don't know. I ended up paying a late fee plus the cost of Fed Ex to straighten things out. After that experience I began renewing on line with a credit card. Less chance of a screw up. Also, having a expiration date during layup season give you time to resolve screw ups and not detract from your boating season.

 

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some how my renewal was lost in the system a while ago. Could have been the mail but I don't know. I ended up paying a late fee plus the cost of Fed Ex to straighten things out. After that experience I began renewing on line with a credit card. Less chance of a screw up. Also, having a expiration date during layup season give you time to resolve screw ups and not detract from your boating season.

My renewal was last November which I did online. In April I logged in to check status as nothing received only to find it showed expired so I did it again and paid again. Two weeks ago I received an email regarding my second application with an "Output Packet" explaining that the renewal could not be processed because the COD expired. So then I had to file a form CG-1258 for Re-instatement and pay again but this time $84..... Still waiting....
What I'm finding out is they have limited access into pay.gov to verify in fact funds were tendered and possibly the NVDC never received record. So I figured I'd just pay again and again......

 

I'm done for 5yrs now. Next renewal on this one will be someone else's issue...

 

Received my new document in the mail yday. Glad I followed up!
Not a painless process, but expected worse.

 

They send me a renewal form in the mail, I send back the signed form with a check and receive my document in two to three weeks.
Every year, even during COVID this has been the case. My Doc renews in February.