Go to youtube an look up "Rolling Coal on a Prius"
Apparently the diesel guys are having a ball with the Prius crowd.

 

The problem with that is the public perception towards all diesel owners and how we're collectively "destroying the environment". It's the same thing that happened around here with target practicing in the desert and riding dirtbikes in the mountains. It just takes a couple of jackasses shooting road signs and riding off-trail to get groups who are legitimately concerned about how that screws up the lands to push legislature into closing off huge areas to the rest of us. It's the "coal-rollers" that got the masses riled to the point that it's now virtually impossible to do anything to your diesel, environmentally-compliant or not, at least in areas that require emissions testing. Besides, if you see black smoke from a diesel, that's just unburned fuel (and money) pouring out of the tailpipe that contributes absolutely nothing to the power output. It's strictly for show.

 

I hate those 'coal-rollers' that smoke people out. I'k love to punch them in the face of flatten their tires. Very rude and disrespectful.

 

 

I saw some pencil neck geek on the morning news today asked to answer burning questions about whether or not the power grid can handle the EV charging loads. After a few minutes of word salad the gist of his BS was that $$$ are being "invested to shore up the grid blah blah blah. Then he said that there is software built in to the cars and chargers that actually increase the grid capacity in that cars that are fully charged will then, if not in use, distribute their power back to grid and the owner would be reimbursed for it. The implication is that EV owners will actually offset the cost of the vehicle over time by selling power back to the grid. No talk about getting complicated!

 

Then he said that there is software built in to the cars and chargers that actually increase the grid capacity in that cars that are fully charged will then, if not in use will distribute their power back to grid and the owner would be reimbursed for it. The implication is that actually EV owners will actually offset the cost of the vehicle over time by selling power back to the grid. No talk about getting complicated!

It sounds like a good idea, using the cars as storage to use during peak loads, but that'd require an additional inverter either in the cars or at their charge stations (like in your garage) to convert the battery's DC back to AC. Mo money. Wouldn't that be just great to jump in your car to head to work just to find that it'd been sucked low to help float the grid during the night? And you'd be reimbursed for it. That'd help pay for the cab...

 

So, whoever they interviewed was on to something but a bit off.


Tesla has done a few virtual power plants around the world. This is powered by their Tesla power wall since their cars to not have the hardware to back feed into the grid.
https://www.tesla.com/support/energy/powerwall/own/california-virtual-power-plant

they could do this with the cars, but they will need additional hardware. Ford could do this as well.

https://www.timesnownews.com/techno...gy-science/tesla-quietly-develops-virtual-power-plant-in-japan-article-93873844

Seems like this is setup in California, japan, Australia and soon Texas.

 

@Nater Potater i saw a h.d. Livewire today. That was a cool bike!

 

They are very cool! I looked into those when they first came out on the market, but thirty grand for the base model? The other I looked at was the Zero brand of electric motorcycles. I was especially interested in their SR/F sportbike. 110HP, 140 lb/ft of torque, 124 mph top speed, 227 mile range with the larger battery, but weighs 500 pounds. Starting at $20k.

 

Funny thing about the concept. Your car would need to have a full charge to be helpful to the grid. So you would need to plug in when you get back from your commute and begin charging when solar energy is waning and rate tiers are at their highest. So your EV wont be ready to offer extra power until late at night when power demand is lower and the rates are lower. So you pay premium rates to charge and they pay you the lower rate for your stored power. There is alot to unpack with this concept.

 

It doesn’t need to be at a full charge, those power walls are only about 15-20% of a Tesla pack and they are useful. They could only pull 10-30% from a Tesla EV battery pack and could still see a benefit. Most EV owners recharge every night to 90%, drive to work and return home with 70-80% charge, which would leave plenty of power to assist the grid. They could do this in the afternoon/evening and completely recharge over night. It could all be handled automatically by software. It’s a solid concept, but again, I don’t think the back feed hardware is in the cars to do this.

 

Thank God I have not fallen for this EV and power wall crap. I was quoted for solar last year. It would take me 27 years to recoup that investment. And I would need to start replacing panels at year 10.

I invested in diesel. And a generator instead.

 

Thank God I have not fallen for this EV and power wall crap. I was quoted for solar last year. It would take me 27 years to recoup that investment. And I would need to start replacing panels at year 10.

I invested in diesel. And a generator instead.

Agreed. I had a 32 year break-even and that was if I didn't have to replace any panels during that period. Thinking about a Genrac natural gas whole house generator instead.

 

So no ICE vehicles sold new after 2035,
I am wondering if that will eventually apply to backup generators by then. There are already local bans on the sale of ICE lawn and garden equipment. Not to mention what fuel will cost to run them by then. In major cities around CA no new homes can be built with NG appliances currently.

 

With all due respect, @Carpediem44DB you folks in California are F&^Ked. After the fire, after the earthquake, after the tsunami, and whatever natural disasters occur out there, I want people to show up with gasoline powered trucks to show up with gasoline powered chainsaws and generators. Not to mention the f*(Cks in SoCal are so screwed by the lack of water for every day living. It's great to live in a desert until you don't have any water. Doh!

 

https://www.autoblog.com/2022/09/05/used-ev-battery-recycling/

 

Interesting. Funny that "clean energy" recycling starts with "black mass"....We'll see if this actually pans out. Still, lithium mining is filthy and wind mills wipe out bird populations at an alarming rate. Dead dinosaurs don't look so bad.

 

95% of all EVs produced are still on the road.

The other 5% made it to their destinations...

 

That’s odd; those are the same numbers you see for Harley Davidson motorcycles.

 

For those of you quoting about solar...We were given a 6 year ROI with 25 year warranty on the panels. And I am way up North. My $-170 power bill looks pretty good this month.

 

Do you think you will see that ROI?

 

A year in and we are "winning". Kick the kids out in 2 years and we will be way ahead. In Wi, we are only "allowed" to produce 120% of our usage so yes Mike, I do. M

 

I worked for a guy (furniture retailer) that had 6 stores. He put solar panels on all of his buildings at a cost of about $420,000. After the systems were activated the company's electric bills actually increased. Neither the installer nor the power company could explain the reason. No winning there. They're out of business now.

 

my boro probably won't allow solar since they own the electric dept and use the rates as a taxation device. i have never seen any houses in my town with solar panels so wondering if they aren't permitted since it will take money from their pockets?

 

Out here in the peoples republic of newsome they do the opposite. Solar is required on every new home. Now they have to raise rates or tax those solar installations to recoup the money lost on the electricity bills to the power companies. It's such a sham.

 

My monthly bill is about $100. Our daughter the gypsy is staying with us a while till heading south for winter, hitting that hot flash age. Turning down AC. I am freezing, latest bill is $160. JFC. Can’t wait til she goes so I can be warm in my house and get morning coffee naked.

 

 

No proponent of California in any way. My son is in process of moving from there to Arizona. Makes good money. Can’t afford it there anymore.
That said. I learned a lot while he was there.
CA is the 6th largest GDP in THE WORLD.
Think about that. California generates more money than anywhere in the planet than the top 5 countries.
Yeah. All our food comes from there. If CA collapsed we would all be seriously fkd. It needs to be fixed.
Y’all bitch about Biden or Trump? They are puppets to the CA governor.
It’s out of control and will drag this country down. DC or Wall Street don’t control this country, California does.
Be scared cause it’s no farking joke. A lot of states, mine included have enacted laws that everything California passed is automatically enacted in 14 states. The people that I didn’t elect in California are controlling everything that happens in my state. But I can’t do a dam thing about it cause I don’t live there.
Oh, you live in Nebraska a nice Republican hurricane hole not affected by those dam gay libs in CA. Hurricane Newsome is coming and you better run for your underground shelter. Stop being delusional.
California rant is done.

 

Well said. It is no farking joke. I have lived in this state my entire life. My wife finally gave in and agreed to leave next spring. Vladimir Newsome will lose 6 figures in tax revenue. I wish others would follow. For now I am counting the days.

No proponent of California in any way. My son is in process of moving from there to Arizona. Makes good money. Can’t afford it there anymore.
That said. I learned a lot while he was there.
CA is the 6th largest GDP in THE WORLD.
Think about that. California generates more money than anywhere in the planet than the top 5 countries.
Yeah. All our food comes from there. If CA collapsed we would all be seriously fkd. It needs to be fixed.
Y’all bitch about Biden or Trump? They are puppets to the CA governor.
It’s out of control and will drag this country down. DC or Wall Street don’t control this country, California does.
Be scared cause it’s no farking joke. A lot of states, mine included have enacted laws that everything California passed is automatically enacted in 14 states. The people that I didn’t elect in California are controlling everything that happens in my state. But I can’t do a dam thing about it cause I don’t live there.
Oh, you live in Nebraska a nice Republican hurricane hole not affected by those dam gay libs in CA. Hurricane Newsome is coming and you better run for your underground shelter. Stop being delusional.
California rant is done.

 

Our house is 1.5 story brick with newer vinyl windows and blown in insulation. First floor is about 1300 sq ft. Just me and my wife here. Our electric bill in summer is usually around $250-300. Winter it will drop a little. Usually about $125-150 in winter. We have a gas furnace, gas hot water and gas dryer. Last I checked we were paying .18/kwh but that was about 5 years ago.

 

There is great irony here. California and Herr Newsome are leading the charge in converting to "green" energy and "clean" EVs. Yet they don't have enough generating capacity to handle a bit of a heat wave. Have to keep the thermostat above 78 degrees, not charge EVs and refrain from using "large appliances". Is Newsome that stupid or just a hypocrite? (I already know the answer to that question, French Laundry during lock downs anyone?). I saw a report that if CA were to construct the number of wind mills needed to close their 1,800 MW generation gap half of the population of golden eagles would be wiped out and some other bird populations could become extinct. Green my ass.

 

Green my ass.

Oh it is green all right, the kind that goes into bank accounts…

 

Too funny …… you just can’t make this shit up.

 

Too funny …… you just can’t make this shit up.

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Is Fang the mother of the baby in the pic?

 

Think I'll go home and turn my AC down to 65 -- Admiral is having her hot flashes. I'll wear a hat and sweatshirt and drink an ice cold beer. FU California.

 

I will not turn mine up for you or anybody, 64 it stays… LOL

 

I swear they are doing their best to keep everyone in their homes. Can't afford gas, can't afford a new EV and if you can you can't charge it. Seems the dems are just trying to keep people from going anywhere

 

I am with a few of you. Thermostat stays at 70 degrees. And I have kept them all old school so they cannot be "big brothered".

 

I have a smart thermostat because we are gone so much. But my son, who is a coder and a network specialist, put a fire wall on our router. They can try to get to it, but good luck....Unless they hire Russian hackers.