That's crazy!!! F-ing birds...

 

That's crazy!!! F-ing birds...

Glad everyone was ok. Wait til PETA gets ahold of this and blames the plane for causing undo pain and death to the birds.

 

I rather read about it on stone tablets than watch CNN but Fox news is covering it as well.. Still no reports of injuries and the plane looks intact. Hope all is well

 

No good. Where is Mike(TurtleTone) for the eyewitness report?

I've seen the pictures on the news. Looks like it's floating so maybe there's a chance most are OK.

 

Looking at the rescue efforts... I really believe NY area has some of the BEST emergency rescue people and processes anywhere. Kudos to them for the fast and safe rescue effort they pulled-off today!

 

Wait til the lawyers start talking to the passengers....

 

I guess the Fox commentator (I'm watching it as well) is referring to the viscosity of water which does increase the colder it gets... most fluids do... Sorta like heating motor oil in your engine. I don't know what the difference in viscosity and what real effect it has between 40 degrees and 80 degrees for water but I guess I could look it up. Never really thought about this before... I guess that means my boat would plane differently in colder water... I've never noticed...

I don't really know how it would effect an A320 smashing into the water.... Ask Kearney.

 

Sounds like everyone's accounted for and OK.Great news. "Oh yeah, I had $100,000,000 in my luggage."

 

Viscosity of water?

What a BONEHEADED remark by someone completely without a clue. Granted (for the sake of argument) that colder water may be better to ditch in. THEN WHAT? Everyone dies of hypotherma?

Full credit here goes to the pilots who landed the darn plane, NY rescue teams who did there thing, and NY ferry crews who departed from their scheduled runs to do the right thing. My take away: Don't mess with NY'ers. They are serious.

It is simply amazing that there are no reported injuries. . .let alone fatalities.

 

You calling me the bonehead or the commentator? I wasn't saying it was better to ditch in.. hell... I wouldn't know. I would think landing the thing and not having those dangling engines or a wingtip rip you around in a cartwheel would be more important than the viscosity...

I guess that's the point of it being a stupid point... "Good news we landed... bad news you got 10 minutes to live once you are in the water."

 

You calling me the bonehead or the commentator? I wasn't saying it was better to ditch in.. hell... I wouldn't know. I would think landing the thing and not having those dangling engines or a wingtip rip you around in a cartwheel would be more important than the viscosity...

I guess that's the point of it being a stupid point... "Good news we landed... bad news you got 10 minutes to live once you are in the water."

Hi Gary,

The under wing engines are designed to "tear away" in a ditching. In this case, it appears one did and the other may not have (its been reported that way). When they lift it onto the barge, we'll know.

You're absolutely right about ditching wings level - here's a link to the Ethiopian 767 ditching a few years ago - he wasn't able to keep the wings level - notice the results. Not bad for being out of fuel and having a hijacker's gun to his head. I think about half survived.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqV1byLOmNc

 

Water viscosity and density

100F - - -1.65 - - - 61.5 lb/ft3
60F - - - -2.79 - - - 61.7 lb/ft3
40F- - - - 3.83- - - -61.7 lb/ft3

Ok. . it does change with temperature radically. I have no clue what that means in this context. Density of the water is not changing much . . .and that probably affects the bouancy of the plane (how much time to get off!)


TO GARY: I was speaking of the boneheaded commentator. Your comment is spot on.

Standing in the wind, without a jacket, with water lapping at my feet in 20F weather is not condusive to good health. Thank goodness those on the wings got to climb onto boats as opposed to having to swim.

 

it is true! water viscosity does change as it gets colder.....especially when if turns to a solid!

 

This board is full of pilots so I would think they would know more than the commentator on Fox...

Pilot speaking to co-pilot: "Don't LAND ON THAT WATER! THE VISCOSITY IS TOO LOW!!" yeah... right... I'm guessing they were having the conversation to keep the thing level and slow as it hit...

my 2 cents.

 

Shrinkage

 

Thank God, it ended like this. Quite a Pilot, kudos to the cockpit!

 

So do pilots retire if they live through a crash landing?

 

Trick question.

Due to corporate greed, the Defined Benefit plans of most major air carriers have been terminated. Now, pilots save up money, invest as wisely as they can, and quit working when they can't take it anymore, or at age 65, whichever comes first.

Short answer - no, unless it is fatal.

 

My thought a minute ago was, the Capt, hero is probably going to retire.

 

Anyone notice how severe the current is in that area? What's really amazing is that the plane didn't break up.

Seems everything worked on this one.

 

Kudos to the Captains of the ferries from the Circle line and port authority, first on the scene.

 

I don't think the circle line runs in the winter. The ferry boats in the photo are NY Waterway ferries. It's a private enterprise founded and run by Arthur Imperatore.

Best regards,
Frank

 

The Pilots and Captains of the rescuing boats should all dine together tonight and eat Foie Gras.

Since this were reported to be a flock of Canadian Geese
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The version I saw online stated that "the department of home land security does not believe the bird strkes were terrorist related"...That would have been impressive if it was terrorist related. How long do you think it would take to train a gaggle of geese to willingly be ingesting in a jet engine?:huh:

 

The Pilots and Captains of the rescuing boats should all dine together tonight and eat Foie Gras.

Since this was reported to be a flock of Canadian Geese
[YOUTUBE]wOzG7bBylRo[/YOUTUBE]

 

Gee, I am surprised that the commentators have not raised the issue of viscosity of the water depending on the direction of the tide. The Hudson is brackish, so salt water is more buoyant than fresh water. The tide goes pretty far up the Hudson when it comes in. The pilots landed in the only place they could and they did a great job. They and the New Yorkers who came out to help are true professionals.

Mr Salt
2001 540 CPMY
Caterpillar C-12s
Cape May, NJ

 

My wife has been driving commercial jets for 25 years and the only thing funny about these type of events is the reporting. well done to the air crew! I guess the thing that made me laugh this time was when everybodies favorite news man or whatever the hell he is, Chris Matthews referred to the strike as the bird attack! He was salivating like he usually does when he gets excited.I can just picture it , Ok ,half of you guys hit the port side ,you others the starboard.!It is amazing this guy is on tv. But then I realize that these retards are paid to provoke a reaction .This time my reaction was the same:the news is brought to you by idiots .

 

I was on the 3:00 US Air Shuttle from Boston, in the landing pattern to LaGuradia when this plane went down. ATC closed LaGuardia to inbound flights so we returned to Logan. My wife heard the news on TV and all they had as info was that a US Air flight at LaGurdia crashed into the river. Of course my phone was still off as I was now flying back to Boston. She spent a little whle freaking out until they finally broadcast that the flight was headed to Charlotte. I guess she wants me around a little while longer.

 

Or she was nervous about the placement of the insurance paperwork... JK

OK. Where is the sense in the FAA's decision to shut down arrivals that are already inbound? They knew right away that the problem was a flock of geese in the departure corridor at a given altitude. The geese were seen on radar. So, you have already passed the threat of geese on the way in, so just to make sure you are goose-proof, they have you climb back up and fly through the threat again in the departure corridor and return to whence you came. Brilliant.

 

Or she was nervous about the placement of the insurance paperwork... JK

Yes, not an unlikely scenario....:smt089