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Good Morning, Merry Christmas and Happy New year. Wish all boaters well for the new year. I have always been impressed by most SeaRay Models. At heart I prefer traditional boats but, if you see what it costs these days to buy and maintained, you'll quickly understand how important more modern Fiberglass have become. My favorite boat from a virtual standpoint is the C-Dory, this because I like to be in shallow water and I like the stand up pilothouse. But for affordability and universal family use, the trailerable express cruisers, with their roominess, is hard to beat. I'm happy to be here and to meet you all.
I looking at a Small Sundancer to do the loop, I thing 240 to 270DA's but will take some time to learn more about them. I also like the Bayliner derivatives. So if you have time to talk about these boat and Looping please chat with me.
Best Regards,
Don Tyson
Easton PA
 
So your biggest issue on that boat will be fuel capacity. You’ll likely need
some sort of auxiliary tank to make it between stops on the inland rivers. Also room for a dinghy to get to shore if you anchor out.
 
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So your biggest issue on that boat will be fuel capacity. You’ll likely need
some sort of auxiliary tank to make it between stops on the inland rivers. Also room for a dinghy to get to shore if you anchor out.
Golfman, Thanks. I know how to address the dinghy issue, lots of options, but tankage? Thats another issue. Are bladders the only option? Any Idea what the range is on these boats? Or better yet where might I learn from sources.
 
If you are SERIOUS about the loop, look at your costs on a spreadsheet.

Once you see the total cost difference between diesel and gas you will likely consider a different route than a gasoline powered inboard vessel.

Outboard gas might be an alternative if you are trying to stay trailerable, but then at what cost and do you need twins.

Lots of choices here, Sea Ray might not fit your needs as well as a Ranger Tug for example.

Numerous Loopers have done the loop and even the Bahamas on these versatile vessels which have an unbelievable amount of features packed into a small space.

Fuel and marinas will likely be your biggest cost on the Loop.

The spreadsheet will be very telling.

Depending on what boat you choose, and the related total fuel cost, you might find that moving into a Ranger tug type gasoline outboard boat, or an older, smaller diesel powered boat, perhaps with a single Perkins engine might be more affordable and practical than a smaller Sea Ray Sundancer which at best is a day boat or an overnighter for but an overnight or two.

If it takes you a year to do the loop, that Dancer might become a bit confining and range will be limited.

BEST !

RWS
 
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If you are SERIOUS about the loop, look at your costs on a spreadsheet.

Once you see the total cost difference between diesel and gas you will likely consider a different route than a gasoline powered inboard vessel.

Outboard gas might be an alternative if you are trying to stay trailerable, but then at what cost and do you need twins.

Lots of choices here, Sea Ray might not fit your needs as well as a Ranger Tug for example.

Numerous Loopers have done the loop and even the Bahamas on these versatile vessels which have an unbelievable amount of features packed into a small space.

Fuel and marinas will likely be your biggest cost on the Loop.

The spreadsheet will be very telling.

Depending on what boat you choose, and the related total fuel cost, you might find that moving into a Ranger tug type gasoline outboard boat, or an older, smaller diesel powered boat, perhaps with a single Perkins engine might be more affordable and practical than a smaller Sea Ray Sundancer which at best is a day boat or an overnighter for but an overnight or two.

If it takes you a year to do the loop, that Dancer might become a bit confining and range will be limited.

BEST !

RWS
Great Advice. I started a spreadsheet.

Fuel is far and away the biggest cost. I began collecting the equipment as well. Here's what I came up with on fuel: 1.2-2 mpg. So at the worst $16000-$20000 for gas. We will rarely use a marina for slips. We already know that we like anchoring the most. Bad Storms and boat repairs will necessitate using marinas. We're working out food, insurance, taxes tags and titles. Final costs approach 35-50k..

I've been an ALGCA member for a year and many have shared their insights and sent me their actual budgets. I wanted a 30 or 34 Pilot(Main Ship diesel) but my wife, who camps with me but has never boated beyond a short 10 day vacation, She wants to be in a trailer boat. We are completely enamored with the larger C-dory, Acadia, Northeast boats like the Rossi and the Tugs you mention. They all tow well. But after working my whole life for peanuts the last thing I want to do is have a boat loan in retirement. But we Simply won't afford these better boats for another yr or two when some things change in our life financially. I simply don't want to go through 2025 without a boat like I did last year.

2025 will be our shake down year. where we will go on a bunch of short trips up and down the Hudson, maybe Mystic, Surely some canals. I think about any of these old cruisers will be fun and we will learn lots. Most of our time will be at Hull Speed.

If the boat we're going to see tomorrow, nearby, is as good as the dealer says (he is a respected man in the squadron here) then we will be getting a single owner well maintained 268 with one 7.4 and a new Bravo Drive. If the NAMS survey doesn't find rot the nice boat will be ours for 12-13K Cash. Insurance will be cheap, comparatively speaking. Apparently all systems work fine and the owner had a detail orientation. It only has to work one year though it appears to be ready for much more. Well, come to think of it, it may not be anything like he said and it may not be for us. But the thing I like about the old 268's is how the furniture folds away. lots of room.

In 2026 or 27 we will re-examine our finances and see if some better options exist but I must say it will likely also be some sort of gasser as the diesels haven't made many inroads into trailer boating yet. For now I realize that gas is what it is. 100 miles is the range by the law of thirds.
If this boat turns out to be a bust then no big deal. We're working with 25K maybe 30. Not much out there. There used to be nice older C-Dory 23's and 25's out there used for that but they've gone through the roof.
We have Aquamaps on several devices. We will buy AIS capable radios. With the big swim deck any small and simple Dinghy will add the the convenience of the boat. So I agree Gas and Range will be the ugly part.
 
Great Advice. I started a spreadsheet.

Fuel is far and away the biggest cost. I began collecting the equipment as well. Here's what I came up with on fuel: 1.2-2 mpg. So at the worst $16000-$20000 for gas. We will rarely use a marina for slips. We already know that we like anchoring the most. Bad Storms and boat repairs will necessitate using marinas. We're working out food, insurance, taxes tags and titles. Final costs approach 35-50k..

I've been an ALGCA member for a year and many have shared their insights and sent me their actual budgets. I wanted a 30 or 34 Pilot(Main Ship diesel) but my wife, who camps with me but has never boated beyond a short 10 day vacation, She wants to be in a trailer boat. We are completely enamored with the larger C-dory, Acadia, Northeast boats like the Rossi and the Tugs you mention. They all tow well. But after working my whole life for peanuts the last thing I want to do is have a boat loan in retirement. But we Simply won't afford these better boats for another yr or two when some things change in our life financially. I simply don't want to go through 2025 without a boat like I did last year.

2025 will be our shake down year. where we will go on a bunch of short trips up and down the Hudson, maybe Mystic, Surely some canals. I think about any of these old cruisers will be fun and we will learn lots. Most of our time will be at Hull Speed.

If the boat we're going to see tomorrow, nearby, is as good as the dealer says (he is a respected man in the squadron here) then we will be getting a single owner well maintained 268 with one 7.4 and a new Bravo Drive. If the NAMS survey doesn't find rot the nice boat will be ours for 12-13K Cash. Insurance will be cheap, comparatively speaking. Apparently all systems work fine and the owner had a detail orientation. It only has to work one year though it appears to be ready for much more. Well, come to think of it, it may not be anything like he said and it may not be for us. But the thing I like about the old 268's is how the furniture folds away. lots of room.

In 2026 or 27 we will re-examine our finances and see if some better options exist but I must say it will likely also be some sort of gasser as the diesels haven't made many inroads into trailer boating yet. For now I realize that gas is what it is. 100 miles is the range by the law of thirds.
If this boat turns out to be a bust then no big deal. We're working with 25K maybe 30. Not much out there. There used to be nice older C-Dory 23's and 25's out there used for that but they've gone through the roof.
We have Aquamaps on several devices. We will buy AIS capable radios. With the big swim deck any small and simple Dinghy will add the the convenience of the boat. So I agree Gas and Range will be the ugly part.
Just remember, the only thing that works on an old boat is the owner.
 
I can appreciate that cliche because its true.
I totally disagree. Ya it took me 3 years to get it up to condition but now its a solid boat, probably built better than new ones, and maintenance is no more than a new boat.
And it’s paid off.
If you think owners of new boats ain’t constantly fixing things you are delusional.
 
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Apparently this boat I’m seeing tomorrow is all ready sorted out and is tip top. If so then gas will be the worst. And tho small it is a fully domestic boat for two. Heat, AC, fridge and stove and head. What I think the author meant is with an older boat there is always something. On a newer boat you can go a ways but you need to tinker and fix/restore on the older stuff if you want everything to be dependable. Kinda like my f150…just keep up with everything
 
I'm glad to hear you've been a member of AGLCA. The resources there are great. And I am assuming you have a good and realistic understanding of what it's like to do the great loop. Do you plan on bringing any bikes? I do recommend them as you will be in many many places where they will come in handy...even if they are fold up bikes.
 
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Hello Brewster, we don’t plan to take any bikes on our shakedown cruises in 2025. They will just be stay aboard anchorage, the wife still works and we will be trying to make time wherever possible. No tourist work needed. In 2026 we plan to do the loop. We will probably have a more significant boat and we’ll have bikes aboard, hopefully.
We’ve sailed from Tillman Island MD to Fall River so that part is done. I said Fallmouth. I always get them mixed up.
 
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Brewster, Love it!
"All great change in America begins at the dinner table.” -Ronald Reagan
It was mandatory on our house and to this day we all still depend on each other after forty years and from 1860 on on our family farm. We worked together, Ate together and worshipped together. No surprises that we all speak to each other. We plant to continue this on the loop though there be challenges.

Were you able to complete the loop yet?
 
Just remember, the only thing that works on an old boat is the owner.
I can appreciate that cliche because its true.
My boat is a 1988 and I keep up with the maintenance and have traveled long trips with it. All of the mechanical's are original and in great shape. Things like refrigerator etc. all have been replaced. And all electronics have been upgraded. But the past 3-5yrs has just been typical maintenance or upgrades that I have chosen to do.

That said, I might have proved that cliche to be true. ...

New boats are not like a new car. New boats break, sometimes more then one that is 10yrs old.
 
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My boat is a 1988 and I keep up with the maintenance and have traveled long trips with it. All of the mechanical's are original and in great shape. Things like refrigerator etc. all have been replaced. And all electronics have been upgraded. But the past 3-5yrs has just been typical maintenance or upgrades that I have chosen to do.

That said, I might have proved that cliche to be true. ...

New boats are not like a new car. New boats break, sometimes more then one that is 10yrs old.
Nice looking boat.
 
Brewster, Love it!
"All great change in America begins at the dinner table.” -Ronald Reagan
It was mandatory on our house and to this day we all still depend on each other after forty years and from 1860 on on our family farm. We worked together, Ate together and worshipped together. No surprises that we all speak to each other. We plant to continue this on the loop though there be challenges.

Were you able to complete the loop yet?
I truly believe in this phrase. Generations of families are losing out because kids can't verbally communicate anymore thanks to "smart" phones.

As far as the loop, my wife and I did the Great Loop Intro weekend which I highly recommend. Execution will have to wait a bit.....you really need to both be fully retired or able to work full time away from the office.
 
These YouTubers did a really good series about their loop experience. It’s well worth watching. And they did a financial recap too.
 
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These YouTubers did a really good series about their loop experience. It’s well worth watching. And they did a financial recap too.
Everyone likes Sho & Jo but in reality I don't have the budget and if I did their boat is still not trailerable. I think the biggest difference is that my Dear wife is not ready to jump "all in". So I've decided we will trailer as that is what she likes. We will not sell our dirt home. So we will need to come home on regular visits to squeeze grandkids and check out the property. I'm pretty active on the site and have taken some live courses and we feel we have a good handle on it.
Now to get the boat. We will take 2025 to do shorter trips and see how the systems work.
 
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I truly believe in this phrase. Generations of families are losing out because kids can't verbally communicate anymore thanks to "smart" phones.

As far as the loop, my wife and I did the Great Loop Intro weekend which I highly recommend. Execution will have to wait a bit.....you really need to both be fully retired or able to work full time away from the office.
Remember though, it was never a Kid Problem....no no, it was always a parental problem. Many parents today aren't raising their kids anymore. I watch this hopelessly.....nuf said or I get in trouble......
 
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