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We are in the market to buy a used Waverunner.

I think I should be shopping for a Sea Do GTS or GTI. Can someone with model knowledge please confirm if this is correct?

Here is what we are looking for:

The unit must be a 3 passenger model with reverse. This is so we can use the waverunne to pull the kids tubing or skiing.

Preferred brand is Sea Doo. We previously owned a Sea Doo GTS years ago and this is about what we are looking to buy. I think but not sure, that the GTI is just a newer model but basically the same entry level 3 person model.

Our preference is something that is about 7-10 years old, 2 stroke, and smaller engine.

Plans are to use this with the kids. We don’t want it to be beat to heck but also we don’t want it to be ‘like new / premium priced’ either.

We are not looking for a high performance, high priced, not a scratch on it model. We will use it and add scratches.

Price range is between 2 to 3 grand with trailer depending on the specific model, condition, etc.

Our plan it to tow this with our boat using a towdster, anchor and use this as a play toy. I understand I will need to pinch the water pick up line before towing then remember to remove the pinch tool.

Background:
Three kids. The oldest is 12 and she took the boaters safety class this spring. Actually, I re-took it with her and worked thru the booklet with her as well. It was a nice refresher.

We boat in northern Wisconsin, USA on the Winnebago pool chain of lakes. This includes Lake Winnebago, Butte des Morts, Poygan and Winneconne. There are also some smaller lakes including Little Lake butte des Morts and Partridge Lake. The primary feed waters of the Winnebago Pool are the Wolf River & Fox River.

We cruise, ski, tube, kneeboard, fish, swim, cook, eat, sleep and have fun as we spend time together. We often cruise upriver to the undeveloped and scenic portions of the river then spend the night.

Thank you for your help.
 
If you are looking at other options than just Sea Doos, a Kawasaki 900STX would work great for you. It has reverse, mirrors, a 2-stroke 100hp engine, and is a 3 seater. It is an entry level ski as well. It has the same hull as the Kawasaki 1200STX, 12F, and 15F and seemed to be fairly fuel efficient (a full tank of gas would last *all* day on the water).

I owned mine for 3 seasons without a single issue.

Hope this helps!

PS: I won't bash Sea Doos as I haven't owned one myself, but do a lot of research and make sure you are buying a model that others haven't had issues with.
 
Discussion starter · #5 ·
Personally I would stick with a 4 stroke whatever you buy
Why? I had thought 4 strokes are limited to the newer more expensive $ models. I’m looking for an older, slower model that I’m not going to loose my cool when (not if) the kids put a scratch in it.

No need to go 60 MPH. I’d prefer something that’s WOT speed is sub 40MPH.
 
I just saw Sea Doo commercial recently. They said, "Built to last 10 years." Remember that if you're shopping used.
 
You might want to go a step above entry-level if you're planning on pulling tubes/skiers. The 900STX would bog down with 2 people on a tube, whereas the 4-strokes I've been behind had no issues at all.

A lot of the newer models also come with two keys, one for full performance, and a second for 30% less top end/acceleration. You can get a couple of year old 4-stroke with trailer for 4-6k. If you want a reliable ski, unless you know the person, I wouldn't go more than a couple of years old on a PWC. The spectrum of how much attention (or lack thereof) of these machines is huge. You really never know what you're getting yourself into. Even a great looking ski on the outside could have been totally neglected as far as engine maintenance.
 
We just bought an '06 Yamaha FX 3 seater. Unfortunately, reverse on an entry level model will not be available particulary one that is that old. Ours is pretty loaded. However, one thing I like is the boarding ladder bar. That makes it really easy to get back on. It also has mirrors. It helps when you are turning to see if there are other vessels coming up on you before you actually turn your head and look. Mirrors help when pulling a tube, too. There is also a water-proof compartment for boater ed cards, registration, etc.

Don't worry about going 60 mph. I felt like I was re-entering the earth's atmosphere at 40 mph on Lake Michigan.

In IL we have this temp trailer plate that's made out of recycled paper. It gets destroyed when it gets wet. That's what happens when you put the trailer in the water to unload and load. You can't get another temp plate. I laminated mine to try to prevent it from disentigrating until I received my permanent plate. It worked.

Buying a unit that old I would make sure the carb(s) were cleaned, gauges worked, and had new battery. Don't get one with modifications such as racing grate, impeller or intakes, etc. That indicates it may have been beaten.

Here is a site about buying a used PWC.
http://www.groupk.com/pwc-buying.htm
 
I just sold my 1997 Sea Doo GTX on ebay for $2,300 w/ trailer.
Over 10 yrs old with lots of life left. Never a problem.
The GTX is a 3 seater like the GTI with more HP.
Good luck in your search!
 
Discussion starter · #11 · (Edited)
I just sold my 1997 Sea Doo GTX on ebay for $2,300 w/ trailer.
Over 10 yrs old with lots of life left. Never a problem.
The GTX is a 3 seater like the GTI with more HP.
Good luck in your search!
Thank you. This is what I am looking for.

I will add "GTX" to my list. So GTS, GTI and GTX.

Nowhere could I find a chart that explained what all those letters mean.

Basically I only want Sea Doo’s that are for 3 people, 7-10 years used and low on power.
 
Discussion starter · #13 ·
Check your regs. Here if you tow, it is mandatory to have mirrors.
Thank you.

Just took the class with my daughter.

Here in Wisconsin mirrors are not required. However you must have a competent spotter. Next to Wisconsin, in Minnesota they can tow a skier with mirrors and no spotter.

Different states, different laws I guess.
 
Basically I only want Sea Doo’s that are for 3 people, 7-10 years used and low on power.
All three models (GTX, GTI, GTS) are 3 seater's w/ reverse.
I believe the the GTX has 15hp more than the other two.
You said you're looking for low on power, but I'd go with the GTX especially when wanting
to pull skiers. Just my $.02
 
I'll add my 2 cents... I'll first say I am no expert but I have owned Sea Doo and Yamaha products. I have not had good luck with Sea Doo stuff. I think it does not have the quality that the Yamaha brand does. I now have a Yamaha 4 stroke Waverunner and a Yamaha engine in my zodiac and they are pretty much trouble free. I couldn't say that about my Sea Doo... Just a bunch of cheap plastic that always breaks... besides... Sea Doo is owned by Bombardier... need I say more.
 
I dont know how I missed this thread earlier but heres my opinion too. I'm no expert either, BTW. I currently own a sea doo RXT and a yamaha FX HO. By leaps and bounds the yamaha is a far better machine. IIRC, the sea doo has been in for repairs 7 times since new in 05, yamaha = 0 Do yourself a favor and buy something other than a sea doo if you want to ride it. When they break it takes weeks to get repairs since few can fix them (any jet ski, not just sea doo's). Last summer mine spent 8-9 weeks awaiting repairs because there were so many of the other POS's ahead of mine to be fixed. If it takes only 2 weeks in your area isnt that half the summer :grin: No more bombardier junk for me either. SB
 
I will kick in my $0.02 as well.

I agree with Gary that Sea Doo definately has a lower reputation than Kawasaki and Yamaha. People (like me) really think that Sea Doo is second rate.

BUT. I do own a 1997 Sea Doo GTX. I bought it in 2002. FLAWLESS. An awesome unit.
I also have an older Kawasaki.

First. . .on power. . .the GTX is considered Low Power by 2008 standards (even by the insurance companies), but was not low powered by 1997 standards. Mine will reach the low 50's on flat water. Will also handle waves competently, and is very stable. It has ample power with two adults on board. Put three adults on board. . .and it gets sluggish. I don't think tubing is an option, BUT that answer will probably change with kid sized passangers.

My older Kawasaki is truely low power, and only does in the low 40's. The Sea Doo will run circles around it (literally). Totally unsuitable for towing. As a two seater with a 330 lb weight limit. . . it is top heavy and unstable *at the dock* with two adults aboard. Your kids will outgrow it quick.

Bottom lines:

1) Buying used, with a budget of only $2-4K, you simply aren't going to get a high powered four stroke jet ski. If you do. . drop me a line, and I will buy one! The four strokes are "newer" technology in the Jetski world. Four strokes are by nature and larger, and the manufacturers compenstate by making the engines even bigger and even more powerful. High power and new, combined with the benefits of four stroke, translates to higher $$$

2) Buying used. . .you MUST judge the previous owner. My kawi was bought from a stand up type of guy who talked alot about the modifications and rebuilds he performed. He showed me how to flush the engine and exuded knowledge. Gave me old parts. OK. . .he modded the ski, but in my six years, I have not had any problems. My SeaDoo was bought from a guy who clearly didn't use it much and was clearly "culling the herd". He had two other jet ski's and two go-fast boats at his dock.

I did not buy from the cheesy 25 year old who couldn't really explain what happened to the PWC's obliterated serial numbers. I didn't buy from the guy who couldn't start up the ski for me to hear.

3) Don't worry about mirrors: I never use them. This is not a car. . cars overtake you at predictable places. Jetski mirrors mimick the coverage of car mirrors, and are totally inappropriate on a bouncy lake with traffic EVERYWHERE.

4) Reverse is key. Really helps controllability.

5) You *must* test the ski before buying it.

And Newbie is right: Finding a good mechanic is of great benefit. I use a mobile guy who can work on both the Kawi and the Sea Doo. Can't comment on "repairs", because I never need repairs between the Spring Tune up and Winterization (knock on wood). But I have seen dealers with 14 day wait lists. . .and that rots!
 
I'm on my third PWC. My Kawasaki was faultless mechanically. Electrically, they flubbed a few things. Kawi electrical parts are expensive, but can be bought on-line a bit more reasonably than from a dealer. The Kawi was a 3 seater with reverse and ran well. It had two major flaws. It was a wet ride. No just a little spray over the bow, but huge swells of green water as the bow plowed into waves rather than over them. It was impossible to ride in a chop while seated. The engine had a huge flat spot between 3500 and 4500 RPM. 3500 was too slow for skiing and 4500 was a bit fast.

Second machine was a Polaris. Engine blew up while the dealer was test running the PWC after a repair. Machine had maybe 30 hours on her; probably less than that. Avoid anything and everything Polaris. The factory does not stand behind any of their products, from PWCS to ATVs to snowmobiles. My dealer is still waiting for them to pay for some repairs.

New machine is a 2008 Sea Doo RXT-X. Bombardier spun off the recreational products company a few years ago. Quality seems to be pretty good. I've not found any fit and finish flaws. The engineering seems good. For example, it has closed cooling with the heat exchanger being the ride plate under the machine. Nothing to clog and cause an overheated engine. Only have 3 hours on her, so still doing the break in thing and have not sampled the 255 horsepower under the seat.

You need to test run any machine you are interested in buying. Some ride well and some don't. The older ones especially had a lot of bad hulls. I remember riding a Yamaha in the 1990s that was pretty fast for the time (mid-40s?) but chine walked viciously! Newer machines are as rock solid at 60 as they are at 30. As stated above, some three seaters are very unstable with two or three passengers. I was on one three seater where the footwells were completely submerged with three riders and none of us were big guys, either. We were also quite lucky to keep her upright, she felt like she was ready to roll us anytime it was off plane.

If you do go with an older used ski, there's are a lot of used parts on the market. I found quite a few people parting out old Kawi's like mine from whom I was able to order fuel gauges and other non-wearing parts.

Get a factory service manual. There are not a lot of good repair shops for these things. Even some dealers can't service the stuff they sell. I'm lucky that my dealer is pretty good. He's on a few 'net forums supporting other owners with parts and advice. Despite that, I still have the FSM. It makes it for easier communication if nothing else.

Best regards,
Frank C
 
Doug - I've owen MANY Sea-Doos with no problems. I think you can have issues with any of the manufactures.
I'd stick with a 1996 or 1997 GTX. They have the 800cc 110 HP motor which is hands down the best two stoke engine on the market.
I own two myself (1996 GTX's) and we use them for the same purpose you're looking to do. We pull tubes, skiers and wakeboards with no problem. You should be able to pick a nice one up for $2500.00 with trailer. Good luck!!!
 
Doug - I can't tell you what TO look at, but I can offer one to avoid...that would be the older (mid/late-90's Yamaha's). They are really noisy (sound like an engine rattling around in a tin shed), and have a tendency to porpoise wildly (despite your best effort to trim it!). Good luck!
 
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