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Discussion in 'Newbie Lounge - NEW' started by billnpat, Dec 29, 2009.

  1. bmac

    bmac Active Member

    Jan 11, 2008
    Holbrook, NY
    2006 58 Sedan Bridge, Walker Bay Generation 390 RIB w/40hp Yamaha, 2014 Wellcraft 232 CC w/Yamaha
    MAN 900 CRM
     
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  2. BonBini

    BonBini New Member

    685
    Sep 28, 2009
    Great Lakes
    88 268
    7.4L Alpha One
    Oil Temp: what heats the oil up most is the load at the rod bearing and the cam slippers/lifters (newer engines now have roller lifters = less friction = less heat).

    Cavitational Erosion: When the engines rod/piston group changes direction, heads down on an intake stroke, the load is shifted to the lower rod bearing. A small void is created where an implosion accures. This implosion area is where a lot more heat is created. When the combined heat from all operating parameters exceeds the bearings soft layer babit materials critical temperature, a small piece of bearing will be blown out and become embedded as the crank journal simply presses it back into the bearing somewhere else. The more movement between rod bearing and journal, the more of this type of wear acures. Heavy rod/piston groups, high rpms, thin viscosity oils and hot oil are all contributors.

    An engine built to run at rated will turn at a much lower rpm than what its capable of. ie: Diesel gen set, 6 cyl, 4.25” bore, 40 qt oil capacity, 1800 rpm 24/7 … Gasoline gen set on some of your boats, large capacity of oil for its actual ci displacement, rpms most likely 3600 24/7 no problems.

    I get most all this information from my career at Caterpillar. For 10 years, every day, all day, all I did was repair failed medium duty diesels and rerate others. The last ten I been doing the same with transmitions and hydraulic systems. Boats are new to me but the basic engine principles are same.

    I don’t know the sweet spot on a sb Chevy as far as 24/7 rpm but I don’t believe it can be in the upper 4k range.

    Not to single any one out: IMHO… I think Wayne’s World should throttle the girls back some so he don’t pound out his hull too. Just because the girls hold 40 psi oil pressure only means the oil pump is still overcoming internal leakage at a 40 psi rate.

    Was glad to see some others found some lower recommended rpms by merc. This must be the cruising rpms. Was a short work day for me. cheers to all … Ron
     
  3. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    As with most things in life, moderation is the key.
     
  4. Uplate

    Uplate New Member

    977
    Oct 13, 2008
    Nashville, TN. Percy Priest Lake
    1998 Sea Ray Sundancer 310
    Westebeke 4KW Generator
    Twin 5.7 Mercruiser Carbuerated.
    Alpha 1 Drives
    Great post and from John as well. Thanks for taking the time to spell it out.

    Like a doctor, having second opinions on this forum is a great resource. While my mechanic is no way an idiot, IMO, he may have just not mentioned the fact that WOT would shorten engine life. He did say I could run it all day at WOT without problems which I assumed was overheating, etc.

    I also wonder if our engines are intentionally governed somehow to prevent over speeding. Because of the tremendous load of a boat over speeding may not even be possible unless propped wrong as mention by others. Never seen a cruising type boat with a tach that has a red line indicator like a car does.
     
  5. I couldn't find the 51.9mph pic yet. :smt021. I'm still looking threw the 3000 plus pics i have. . Here's one that i took with 10 people & 5 coolers filled with beer on board going to the beach at WOT. :thumbsup:. .
    I have them on my girls also.:smt001[​IMG]
     
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  6. BeeBoating

    BeeBoating Member

    46
    Apr 6, 2008
    Ohio/Florida
    2006 52DB
    Cummins QSM
    No expert here either, but for those that think running continuously @ WOT is fine, I suggest you jump in your car, limit it to 1st gear and drive around @ red line for a few hours. Same thing. Do you expect this won't affect engine/vehicle life?

    Gary, as an observer your pragmatic humor is much appreciated. It's great to have someone that will say what most others are thinking, although I am sure I might feel differently/defensively if I was the receiver.
     
  7. Stray Cat

    Stray Cat Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Pool 10 Guttenberg, IA
    2006 300DA Sundancer
    350 Mags / Bravo III
    Damn Wayne, were you thinkin someone else was going to get your favorite spot? :grin:
     
  8. You're just talking silly with that statement :smt101. Do you see truck motor sh*ting to bed ??. Today i went and got 24 tons of road salt for a friend. I ran that Mack motor at 2150rpm's for 7hrs and it didn't come unclued. Heres the deal. If its going to break its going break. If not you're GOOD. :thumbsup:. PS. I drove truck for 33yrs and have over 1 1/2 million miles under my belt :smt001. I never blew a motor running like that. :smt038
     
  9. sea salt

    sea salt New Member

    102
    Jul 9, 2008
    Long Island
    300DA
    Twin 7.4 Mercs
    I find it amazing how many people that just don't grasp that concept! :smt038
     
  10. chuck1

    chuck1 Super Moderator TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 3, 2006
    North GA Mountains
    Looking For Next One
    Looking For Next One
    What is WOT for the engine? Did I read it right that you ran at WOT for 33 years in your truck???
     
  11. BonBini

    BonBini New Member

    685
    Sep 28, 2009
    Great Lakes
    88 268
    7.4L Alpha One
    Wayne's World: I love your boat and I'm gone have one some day. One thing you could do when checking your oil is see if it turnes darker sooner than expected. Over heated oil will darken even though it's still clean. You can be our test rat.:grin: It's all good. ... Ron
     
  12. My marina owner Ron was driving. Where i boat is a partying town. Check it out. http://www.sylvanbeachny.com/
     
  13. I have twin oil coolers they came with them installed when it bought her, :smt001
     
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  14. Another speed reader. :smt021. Chuck, Reread my post. :smt001. For a mack its 2150rpm's WOT. :smt038. No !! I've been driving truck for that long
     
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  15. Newbie

    Newbie New Member

    858
    Oct 22, 2007
    Apex, NC
    '01 230BR
    350mag B3,
    I'm not gonna call anybody an idiot since I don't work on boats for a living but, once upon a time I made my living as an ASE cert mechanic and also built 355's for an All Pro series car that turned 8k and was built to do so. They were overhauled frequently...


    I don't run my engines at WOT for more than 10 min at a time. :thumbsup:
     
  16. Daddubo

    Daddubo New Member

    Oct 13, 2009
    ILLINOIS / Chain O Lakes
    Really Nice for a 97
    40 HP Force
    The whole thread was could you run @ WOT not that they do. Yes you can run WOT does it put more ware and tare on the equipment, absolutely but they aren't delicate vessel's that you have drive like a Ole Grand Pa all the time so let her rip once and a while it isn't going to ruin them and besides it's fun and isn't that what it is all about?
     
  17. lucknow

    lucknow New Member

    42
    Oct 13, 2008
    New England
    1989 Express Cruiser
    Mercruiser T/454's FWC
    "Amen"
    This should be enough to put an end to this debate.
    I also have ASE Master Tech certifications and have had many victories assisting neighbors at my marina with repairs in many areas with their boats saving them alot of $$$.

    Nobody would disagree that marine engines life expectancy will be shortened from excessice Rpm's, heat, lack of maintenance, excessive Rpm's (such as when props are out of the water) or anyhting else than can be classified as abusive. So where is the argument?

    I hope the negative comments listed were made with humor in mind, and not intended to be as cruel as they appear.

    I enjoy reading CSR, but sometimes the banter goes over the top.

    Which is better Reebok or Nike? 2 people can argue all day long........
     
  18. oaktree

    oaktree New Member

    3
    Dec 30, 2009
    NE
    boat
    boat
    Excellent behavior.
     
  19. jim_m5

    jim_m5 Member

    255
    Aug 19, 2008
    Woodstock, GA
    340 Sundancer 2000
    7.4L 310hp V-Drives
    Assuming you keep up the matinenance (e.g. oil/filter changes every 50hours, impellers every 2 years) how many hours can you expect to get out of the 7.4L 310ho engines?
     
  20. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda

    Welcome back Gary!
     

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