Why aren't there riots?

[fc3]

Why aren't there riots?

Because Americans are way too busy trying to find out how much of these trillions being spent they are going to get, thats why.

Our nations root problem is Greed. How much can I get without doing anything much for it.

There are not riots because the people who are under attack have too much too lose and are fearful if they were to go on the offensive. Those who are causing a big stir have nothing to lose.

We, for example, own considerable assets, homes, cars, boats, aircraft, and other toys, 401k plans, Keoghs, IRAs, stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments. Such people are far too busy trying to keep their heads above water to revolt. What free time they have, they don't want to spend fighting. And if they were to protest, what can they do? Write letters? Vote? That's about it. We can't afford more because the state will move in, throw us in jail which deprives our families of income. Then the banks and the states seize the rest for non-payment, taxes, etc.

The noisy ones, they have nothing to lose. No homes, no assets to lose. No families to suffer deprivation. Additionally many have grown up with a sense of "entitlement." Either mummy and daddy provided everything they ever wanted, or they were on the dole since they were little children. They know no other way and cannot conceive of another way.

 

[Jack F]

The hacks know that the people who work hard for what they have will work harder to keep what they have, The one who don't have nothing anyway. And that’s who their counting on.

 

[skibum]

You nailed it, Jack.

If tax rates skyrocket, I'm really going to buck the system. I'll volunteer for a RIF at work and then take a 3 year "sabatical". I'd be able to cover the bills and other expenses for longer than that. Yeah.. I've lived well within my means. I have a smaller house, drive older cars, and have a 260DA instead of a 44DB. However, I also have the option to "opt out" of the producing side of the economy for quite a while if I choose to do so. That's the kind of revolution that I'm talking about. Let's just take our ball and bat and go home. If the government is going to take that much of what we make then why bother? Can I collect unemployment after a RIF?

If I need money after that, I'll write some custom software for a company, sell it for a healthy price, and then pay myself a slightly above poverty level salary for a couple of years to put some gas in the Sundancer and Bubba Burgers on the grill. I'll let my company schedule me for lots of (deductable) "business" related trips, and enjoy myself for a while.

If everyone that could go 3-5 years on what they already have would just do that, then the Government would need to reverse course and get trickle down working the way that it used to (Just like it did after the Gipper left office).

M~

 

[Pseudomind]

probably for certain... really? PROBABLY for CERTAIN? Not a very strong position huh? I'm just sayin'

I cannot speak to the future as some people seem to think they are capable of doing. but a mantra which has been going around for sometime referred to "Change."

Since I have been around for a few years, and if I was a betting person, I would speculate that some who embodied this mantra for "change," will see "Change," albeit not quite the " "change" they envisioned.

As for my "not a very strong position?" one only has to look at the current state of affairs happening in this country today...so yeah "probably for certain.":huh:

 

[JV II]

There are not riots because the people who are under attack have too much too lose and are fearful if they were to go on the offensive. Those who are causing a big stir have nothing to lose.

We, for example, own considerable assets, homes, cars, boats, aircraft, and other toys, 401k plans, Keoghs, IRAs, stocks, bonds, and other financial instruments. Such people are far too busy trying to keep their heads above water to revolt. What free time they have, they don't want to spend fighting. And if they were to protest, what can they do? Write letters? Vote? That's about it. We can't afford more because the state will move in, throw us in jail which deprives our families of income. Then the banks and the states seize the rest for non-payment, taxes, etc.

The noisy ones, they have nothing to lose. No homes, no assets to lose. No families to suffer deprivation. Additionally many have grown up with a sense of "entitlement." Either mummy and daddy provided everything they ever wanted, or they were on the dole since they were little children. They know no other way and cannot conceive of another way.

Thanks, that answers my question. I agree with that.

 

[chuck1]

Interesting concept about the wealthy not willing to start the riot/revolt. If you look at our founding fathers most of them were quite wealthy and gave all they had.

 

[Turtlesboat]

Once things kick into gear, you'll start to feel the force. So far it's "theory". wait until taxes go into effect, inflation etc... then you'll see a movement.

 

[elreyos]

You nailed it, Jack.

If tax rates skyrocket, I'm really going to buck the system. I'll volunteer for a RIF at work and then take a 3 year "sabatical". I'd be able to cover the bills and other expenses for longer than that. Yeah.. I've lived well within my means. I have a smaller house, drive older cars, and have a 260DA instead of a 44DB. However, I also have the option to "opt out" of the producing side of the economy for quite a while if I choose to do so. That's the kind of revolution that I'm talking about. Let's just take our ball and bat and go home. If the government is going to take that much of what we make then why bother? Can I collect unemployment after a RIF?

If I need money after that, I'll write some custom software for a company, sell it for a healthy price, and then pay myself a slightly above poverty level salary for a couple of years to put some gas in the Sundancer and Bubba Burgers on the grill. I'll let my company schedule me for lots of (deductable) "business" related trips, and enjoy myself for a while.

If everyone that could go 3-5 years on what they already have would just do that, then the Government would need to reverse course and get trickle down working the way that it used to (Just like it did after the Gipper left office).

M~

Skibum, your comment "opt-out" is profetic. You see thats just whats about to happen. Us baby boomers are going to do just that. When that happens these idots will be standing around wondering were's the beef. The generation before us faught like hell to secure the future we had. We took advantage of it. We got up every morning and went out and produced. We got to keep most of what we made. Then the political hacks discovered the golden goose and began digging their hands into the pot and giving it away. Now the current administration figures they'll just reach in and get somemore. But it won't be there. We made it look to easy for the generation thats succeeding us. They haven't got a clue. This had to happen to clear this socialist phlem out of our craw.

 

[keokie]

Chuck1 you stole my thunder.

The founders of our nation were wealthy and educated.

We had the most unique revolution in history. Revolutions usually happen when a big majority of dowtrodden masses rise up against the ruling class. The founders of those revolutions tend to become drunk with newfound, authority, wealth and status. Soon they become hard to distinguish from the prior ruling class.

Our founders, for the most part, already had the wealth and status. They rose up over principle. And they did not seek independence from Great Britain. But tensions increased and the Declaration of Independence (one of the very best documents in the history of mankind) resulted.

The height of support for Independence among soon to be Americans was rarely above 50%. In the latter stages of the War, it hovered around 25%. The United States of America still emerged. When it did, the founders took no land or authority. Some ran for office. They all abided by the wishes of the voters.

Washington more than once refused appeals that he become king. He even refused to continue to run as president. It is important to note that Washington was far from humble. Washington had a lifetime history of accepting power and authority at every option. Turning away from the ultimate in both for his belief in America is one of the things that makes him such a great man.

Subsequent founders then occupied the office. There was very little harmony among them, save for the belief in the ideas of the Declaration, and the newly found Constitution. Most of them saw both documents as flawed, but the best mankind had to offer, and they staked their lives and fortunes on them.

A short time later the British made an attempt to retake America in the War of 1812. Many politicians were eager for the fight as the British Navy's pressment of Americans was a hot topic in foreign affairs. Still, once the war started, there was a strong movement to become a part of Great Britain again. We were lucky to fight the war to a stalemate (the British were already conceiving another attempt when Jackson obliterated a strong British force after the war was officially over). This ended Britain's attempts at re-acquisition.

The Civil War was a disaster. Very unpopular, expensive, bloody, and long. Not only did we survive it, but ironically it is unlikely we would become the great nation we are had we waited longer to end slavery.

World War I and II were both very unpopular as they dragged on. Yet, we won both. Vietnam was a military disaster. As we get farther from it it may become more recognized as a political victory. It did drastically slow the spread of Communism, and kept Russia in check.

We got attacked on September 11, 2001. Many of us believed this would have a terrible effect on our security and would lead to necessary measures that would greatly reduce our freedoms. It has not (okay the airports are a PITA). But we remain free, unafraid, and have not been attacked on our soil since.

We will survive Obama. Even though the masses may not recognize the damage he will do. Our country's founding was not based on the masses wishes, it was based on the beliefs of brilliant, principled men who were willing to risk their fortunes and lives for its ideals. Our success since the Revolution has not been created by the masses. It has been created by the courageous, motivated, principled risk takers that are still rewarded better in America than any other country.

Remember, if the masses always got their way, we wouldn't have declared independence, would not have ended slavery, wouldn't have seen WWI or WWII to their conclusions. You can go on with other examples like investing American capital in the creation of capitalist democracies in Germany and Japan (we actually brought freedom to nations who couldn't get it for themselves) the Civil Rights movement, success in Iraq.

We are a great nation founded and grown on conservative principles that have often been at odds with the majority.

Gentleman (and ladies if there are any on this board), Lord Macaulay was an intelligent thinker, but he was full of Ship High In Transit when it comes to America.

 

[JV II]

Many of the republicans did not turn up at the voting booths last time around. I predict that every single GOP sole will be scratching all the rep ovals next turn. I will again. Someone needs to start a republican Acorn. Sign me up.

 

[JDW]

This might sound crazy but - some think he is driving this country to the point of anarchy so he can declare martial law and ignore the Constitution. Then he is really in control. I have sent many emails to Senators but they don't seem to have much effect. I do think some wealthy Democrats are starting to wake up and have urged him to slow down. This isn't quite the "change" they expected.

Just my 2 cents worth.

 

[chuck1]

Chuck1 you stole my thunder.

Not at all, just the distance rumbling before the storm.

Great post:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

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The founders of our nation were wealthy and educated.

We had the most unique revolution in history. Revolutions usually happen when a big majority of dowtrodden masses rise up against the ruling class. The founders of those revolutions tend to become drunk with newfound, authority, wealth and status. Soon they become hard to distinguish from the prior ruling class.

Our founders, for the most part, already had the wealth and status. They rose up over principle. And they did not seek independence from Great Britain. But tensions increased and the Declaration of Independence (one of the very best documents in the history of mankind) resulted.

The height of support for Independence among soon to be Americans was rarely above 50%. In the latter stages of the War, it hovered around 25%. The United States of America still emerged. When it did, the founders took no land or authority. Some ran for office. They all abided by the wishes of the voters.

Washington more than once refused appeals that he become king. He even refused to continue to run as president. It is important to note that Washington was far from humble. Washington had a lifetime history of accepting power and authority at every option. Turning away from the ultimate in both for his belief in America is one of the things that makes him such a great man.

Subsequent founders then occupied the office. There was very little harmony among them, save for the belief in the ideas of the Declaration, and the newly found Constitution. Most of them saw both documents as flawed, but the best mankind had to offer, and they staked their lives and fortunes on them.

A short time later the British made an attempt to retake America in the War of 1812. Many politicians were eager for the fight as the British Navy's pressment of Americans was a hot topic in foreign affairs. Still, once the war started, there was a strong movement to become a part of Great Britain again. We were lucky to fight the war to a stalemate (the British were already conceiving another attempt when Jackson obliterated a strong British force after the war was officially over). This ended Britain's attempts at re-acquisition.

The Civil War was a disaster. Very unpopular, expensive, bloody, and long. Not only did we survive it, but ironically it is unlikely we would become the great nation we are had we waited longer to end slavery.

World War I and II were both very unpopular as they dragged on. Yet, we won both. Vietnam was a military disaster. As we get farther from it it may become more recognized as a political victory. It did drastically slow the spread of Communism, and kept Russia in check.

We got attacked on September 11, 2001. Many of us believed this would have a terrible effect on our security and would lead to necessary measures that would greatly reduce our freedoms. It has not (okay the airports are a PITA). But we remain free, unafraid, and have not been attacked on our soil since.

We will survive Obama. Even though the masses may not recognize the damage he will do. Our country's founding was not based on the masses wishes, it was based on the beliefs of brilliant, principled men who were willing to risk their fortunes and lives for its ideals. Our success since the Revolution has not been created by the masses. It has been created by the courageous, motivated, principled risk takers that are still rewarded better in America than any other country.

Remember, if the masses always got their way, we wouldn't have declared independence, would not have ended slavery, wouldn't have seen WWI or WWII to their conclusions. You can go on with other examples like investing American capital in the creation of capitalist democracies in Germany and Japan (we actually brought freedom to nations who couldn't get it for themselves) the Civil Rights movement, success in Iraq.

We are a great nation founded and grown on conservative principles that have often been at odds with the majority.

Gentleman (and ladies if there are any on this board), Lord Macaulay was an intelligent thinker, but he was full of Ship High In Transit when it comes to America.

 

[Pseudomind]

Why aren't there riots?

Well if there are riots?

Whom does one think will start the riots, those on the dole or those not on the dole? :huh:

 

[geriksen]

Check out this blog from David Pascoe, my favorite marine surveyor and the only one in the biz that tells it like is is.
Also, he has great comments on the economy etc.
this link was posted on the Chris Craft group this morning.
He takes Gennmar to the whipping post...

http://davidpascoeblog.com/

 

[ChuckW]

Sounds more like Jacobs pissed this guy off some time ago and now he's gloating...

 

[tmhudson2]

There are not riots because the people who are under attack have too much too lose and are fearful if they were to go on the offensive. Those who are causing a big stir have nothing to lose.

I'll add that most who have "too much to lose" got that way because they operated within the system, with respect for the rule of law. It will be hard for us to overcome that ethos, beyond our demonstrating in Tax Day and Independence Day Tea Parties with Gadsden Flags waving in the breeze. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gadsden_flag

 

[Pseudomind]

Check out this blog from David Pascoe, my favorite marine surveyor and the only one in the biz that tells it like is is.
Also, he has great comments on the economy etc.
this link was posted on the Chris Craft group this morning.
He takes Gennmar to the whipping post...

http://davidpascoeblog.com/

His closing line has a lot of truth in it.

The United Socialist States of America isn’t going to be a very prosperous nation but a nation in permanent decline. Believe it, accept it, and get on with it, or emigrate.[
/QUOTE]

 

[fc3]

Check out this blog from David Pascoe, my favorite marine surveyor and the only one in the biz that tells it like is is.
Also, he has great comments on the economy etc.
this link was posted on the Chris Craft group this morning.
He takes Gennmar to the whipping post...

http://davidpascoeblog.com/

Pascoe is right about genmar and debt. Jacobs built his empire with someone else's money. Like Trump, but at least Trump has real estate. Irwin's got... mostly garbage. Carver and Four Winns are OK. The rest is crap and worse than crap. I had three Wellcrafts from the 80s and they were so-so before the company did a quick left into serious crap-land in the later 80s and 90s.

Interesting his comments about Brunswick. I think they were mostly playing at boat building since money was cheap and boat building during the past decade was a money maker. Ownership of the biggest selling brands was a good way to lock the market into Mercruiser exclusive deals.

On the other hand, I don't buy his minimalist boat thing. We saw that nonsense during the 70s and early 80s when no one had money and there was fuel rationing. You know what happened next.

When GM's big block engines go away, we'll simply see more marinized small diesels. The only reason we aren't seeing Duramax diesel boats, for example, is that Gale Banks has the exclusive deal to marinize the Duramax and he hasn't a clue how to market it and he's too small to become a critical supplier. With GM's bankruptcy they can fix that contract problem. I'd like to see a Crusader Duramax.

 

[geriksen]

Sounds more like Jacobs pissed this guy off some time ago and now he's gloating...

Jacobs is quite the blowhard himself. His comments over the past several years in the trade publications have been very arrogant. (even recently) I think that is where that reaction from Pascoe came from.

If you scroll down, he has interesting comments about the economy and the admisinstration that I thought were also along the ideas in this thread.

 

[tmhudson2]

Interesting concept about the wealthy not willing to start the riot/revolt. If you look at our founding fathers most of them were quite wealthy and gave all they had.

Many of you have heard or read the following by the father of Rush Limbaugh; for those who haven't, or want to read it again, here it is: http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/home/folder/american_who_risked_everything_1.guest.html