Wholly Crap!

Gofirstclass said:
I'm not a bit surprised. For years Bayliner made a 19' I/O in Mexico. They were able to sell the package (boat and trailer) at a price that made the payment just a tad below $100. They were trying to get new people in to the boating lifestyle and at the same time get them into a Bayliner.

For years we have thought that "Made in America" made a product so much better than one produced overseas. In some cases it probably was. In many areas, other countries are far advanced from where we are in our production capabilities.
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It works great until the country building for you steals your technology and puts you out of business. Shortly after Zodiac shifted production to China, the market exploded with Chinese inflatables with names no one had ever heard of at way under the cost of a Zodiac.

MM
 
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MonacoMike said:
It works great until the country building for you steals your technology and puts you out of business. Shortly after Zodiac shifted production to China, the market exploded with Chinese inflatables with names no one had ever heard of at way under the cost of a Zodiac. MM
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China may or may not be unique in this regard but they have certainly perfected intellectual property theft.
 
Sbw1, I love seeing your build pics. I am envious that it is unlikely I will get to oversee building and then using the vessel.

MM
 
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MonacoMike said:
Sbw1, I love seeing your build pics. I am envious that it is unlikely I will get to oversee building and then using the vessel.

MM
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Tiara is a small family owned company. I am surprised at the access they allow in their factory. We are invited to factory tours every so often. They serve nice refreshments, and members of the family and other managers talk about what is new with the products. After that you are able to get on many of the boats on the line and have a look at things up close. They make their own fuel tanks, shower modules, and build all the cabinets on site. During tour, a docent answers all the questions people have. I've never experienced a tour like the ones they offer.
 
sbw1 said:
View attachment 62335 View attachment 62337 View attachment 62338 View attachment 62339 View attachment 62336 Here are more. Prepping the mold to make sure there are no blimishes, the deck and hull prior to attachment and the rigging shed at Walstroms in Harbor Springs, MI. Tiara pays attention to the hull deck connection, adding an aluminum spacer between hull and deck. They use an industrial strength adhesive to hold the joint together, and then it is through bolted for added strength. This is literally the first boat we've owned that does not leak, even after some big seas over the 14 years we have owned it. You can see the boot stripe line in the mold. I really like that this boat has no tapes of any kind that require maintenance. They are all gel coat and detail nicely with no nicks from touching flotsam that is unseen in the water. I was forever touching up dings in the decorative tape on my SRs.
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I like the Hatteras banner hanging from the ceiling.
 
This is just my opinion and feelings. I bought my first boat in 2000, a 190 SD. In total I have owned 4 boats (all SeaRay's). I never thought that I would own anything but a SeaRay, but over the last several years I think Brunswick has ruined the brand. I may buy another SeaRay at some point and " IF" I do it will be a late 90's/early 2000's. There is know way I will buy a NEW boat that has anything to do with the Brunswick name. Like I said this is just my feelings and I love the older SeaRay's. I just don't like Brunswick. Sorry if I make anyone mad, I didn't mean to. I'm just a disappointed Michigan guy that was routing for his home team (back where it all started) and irritated that it didn't go the way I wanted.
 
Give it few more years with this globalism and open borders trend and products will just come with a label ‘made on earth’ and we will be expected to think it shouldn’t matter!
 
Ezsteps said:
This is just my opinion and feelings. I bought my first boat in 2000, a 190 SD. In total I have owned 4 boats (all SeaRay's). I never thought that I would own anything but a SeaRay, but over the last several years I think Brunswick has ruined the brand. I may buy another SeaRay at some point and " IF" I do it will be a late 90's/early 2000's. There is know way I will buy a NEW boat that has anything to do with the Brunswick name. Like I said this is just my feelings and I love the older SeaRay's. I just don't like Brunswick. Sorry if I make anyone mad, I didn't mean to. I'm just a disappointed Michigan guy that was routing for his home team (back where it all started) and irritated that it didn't go the way I wanted.
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Just my opinion, you shouldn’t feel bad to make people mad if your posting is thoughtful and honest. That’s the beauty of an open forum. Polite spirited conversation is what it’s all about and certainly a reason I enjoy CSR.
I’m neutral on how I feel about Brunswick. I love my Searay and look forward to getting into a newer one at some point. I just hope I won’t have to rely on factory support in the future. I see that like in just about all industries as going downhill.
Carpe Diem
 
Carpediem44DB said:
Give it few more years with this globalism and open borders trend and products will just come with a label ‘made on earth’ and we will be expected to think it shouldn’t matter!
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'globalism and open borders'....every time I see those words I feel like I'm cruisin' on a beautiful warm sunny day, then hit a damp cold fog patch and can't see the front of the boat, all the while wondering if I'll ever get out of this shit.:(
 
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Bridog said:
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I like the plastic thru-hulls. China?
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Not sure where those through hulls originated. We did replace all of them about four years ago because they were hard to detail. The new ones came from who knows where. We sprayed them with Imron prior to the install. I may have a pic of them before they were installed with 4200.
 
Leardriver said:
You are exactly right.
I worked at a Fortune 200 company. The board and the CEO are under a legal obligation to deliver the maximum profit to shareholders, which are often in the form of your 401K.
If you don't, you face fines and imprisonment. It doesn't happen often. Some call it corporate greed, when it is actually just your legal requirement.
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Curious and off topic, who do you fly for?

Would you care to expand further on your post? While I understand about fiduciary responsibility, I've never heard it stated this way. There is no legal requirement that I'm aware of that specifies a "maximum profit" to shareholders. In fact, after reading your post, I decided to search for a reference. I found this article that more clearly depicts my interpretation of the law and the ethics of the issue. I clearly do say there are corp. officers that make this claim in the name of greed. As a shareholder of several public companies I get upset when I see earnings squeaked out by shaving what I perceive as long term value in the company....Ethics play a role in corporate governance whether you like it or not. I don't care that my shares went up because of some short term play....There are so many companies being destroyed by this greed mindset.

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordeba...rs/corporations-dont-have-to-maximize-profits
 
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Pretty recent. Shot this summer before we cruised the boat to Harbor Springs. Why do you ask?
 
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