What the heck is going on with our country?

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  1. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Hmmmm, were you as vehement in your condemnations when we had a former pres who got a blow job in the oval office, lied about it to the American public, had a lineup of women who stood by him and vouched for his integrity and honesty, only to be proven to be a liar and impeached for his sins?

    Just sayin'.
     
  2. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

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    No I wasn't, for damn good, BIG reasons:

    - I didn't have to! HE FACED IMPEACHMENT!
    - The BJ was consensual
    - The BJ was performed by an adult, to an adult
    - Moore is sub-human. I hope YOU are condemning him too.
     
  3. kvduff

    kvduff Member

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    When facts turn people apocalyptic, the term snow flake is appropriate.
     
  4. CliffA

    CliffA Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    i normally stay quiet on topics such as this and probably should stay out of it now....but all of this recent publicity on the inappropriate conduct of public figures has given me cause to reflect on the subject....

    the question that comes to my mind is how many heterosexual adult men can HONESTLY say that throughout their lifetime have done none of the same things that these public figures have been accused of?.....you have never made any comments about a woman that by today's standards would be considered inappropriate....you have never heard and passed on a 'joke' that was demeaning to women....you have never made sexually oriented comments by text or email about a woman.....you have never hugged a woman without her permission.....you have never done your best to convince a woman to be with you when she is hesitant....and all of the other allegations that are being thrown around by the media and the accusers....even having indecent thoughts about women should be included.....

    if you can HONESTYLY say you have not done any of these things then by all means continue to publicly cast your stones at the character of the men that have.....if you have done any of these things then maybe we should be a little more reserved in how we pass judgment....

    personally I will keep my judgment to myself....

    cliff
     
  5. Third Edition

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    My great aunt of 95 wondered about the country going to hell. "What's wrong with people these days?" That was in the late 60's. I take that sentiment as a sign of aging. Akin to "If the music is too loud, you're too old."

    It's common to forget how bad it was way back when, when we were younger. Even in Roman times people wrote about "what's wrong with the younger generation?" Not saying I was younger in Roman times. Really.

    IMO things are better now than they've been for a long, long time.
     
  6. Warwgn

    Warwgn Member

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    The problem today is people have such thin skin. Most people get offended way to easy, and the worst of it is the "offense" they have suffered really did no damage at all. I would bet most of us on here were raised to understand "sticks and stones" theory but somewhere along the way people got convinced the "words" really do physical harm too. I really can't stand how sensitive people are now and all the fake ass injustice being thrown around, I wish folks would just get over their shit and do something productive rather than try to get "likes" and sympathy on there facebook pages.
     
  7. MonacoMike

    MonacoMike Active Member SILVER Sponsor

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    EEOC regulations, even at that time, do not allow the CEO level employees to use their power to have any sexual relations with their low level employees. With such a power disparity and experience difference between management and intern renders the low employee incapable of consent. No, one would not be arrested for this conduct but would be fired by most corporations.

    MM
     
  8. kvduff

    kvduff Member

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    You may have forgotten wjc was 27 years older than the consenting lady, who was the same age as his own daughter. If that’s cool in your world we definitely have different values.
     
  9. Gofirstclass

    Gofirstclass Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Really? And did he miss a day of work, sitting behind his desk in the oral office? No, because the senate and house had a Dem majority who were majorly silent as the Liar in Chief tried to mislead all of us with his lies...

    Oh wait, he did tell a little white lie, and he was caught....

    and here's PRESIDENT Trump reminding Bill of his affairs...


    So, let's see, you have a person who got a BJ in the Oral Office, lied about it and only came clean (no reference there to Monica's dress) after it was made public and that's no big deal, but let a person of the opposite party engage in some locker room talk and half the country is in an uproar.

    Just sayin'
     
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  10. trflgrl

    trflgrl Member SILVER Sponsor

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    We don't know how much was talk and how much was action. At least one of Trump's accusers described exactly that--him putting his hand under her skirt onto her crotch. Women have accused, he has denied, and that's what we as the public know.
    Unfortunately yes, hugging and other seemingly benign gestures can be problematic, and acceptability varies from region to region, company to company, individual to individual. Personally, I've found hugging to be much more accepted/commonly practiced in my little part of the south. And I follow what you're saying about the history of handshaking between men and women....as well as what RollerCoastr says about how that may be perceived more recently:
    It's a difficult thing to navigate: being inclusive and respectful (offering the "right" handshake to all) while not crossing what sometimes seems like an invisible line into inappropriate or unwelcome (death grip/power struggle, icky nasty pervy hand massage, or just plain unwanted).
    They are. There's work to be done yet, but things are indeed a lot better.
     
  11. tdgard

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    Boy I try to refrain from these conversations, but...

    The BJ in my mind is significant because the person hired to have the highest office in this country stood up and lied in the court he is supposed to uphold. Any one of us would have sat under a jail for awhile after pulling something like that were we not the president. It also makes me quite sad.

    Clinton was accused by two women of sexual harassment and another of rape. These were accusations that went away after paying huge sums of money to the accusers. Yet, when most people think of Clinton, they think about a cigar.

    If Moore did what he was accused of he is a scumbag (and also a pedophile). If Clinton did what he was accused of he is also a scumbag. What wears me out is the notion that someone’s political views somehow exonerate the person of their choosing.

    I often wonder how many of these current accusers jumped up and down defending Clinton about a BJ while they were being victimized themselves.
     
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  12. northshore

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    My scumbags are better than your scumbags! :D
     
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  13. tdgard

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    Har!
     
  14. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

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    yes, if they're consenting adults, their choices are their business IMO. If you have an age delta limit, ok. It's perfectly fine if we have different values.

    I think Bill is quite the scumbag. I was asked about condemnation. Bill IS STILL getting it, while The Orange Idiot and the Hateful Pedophile are at the top of their games.
     
  15. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

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    Garmin 8212, 741 24HD, Intellian I2
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    This should wear-out every citizen in this country, but instead of outrage over pedophilia, we see endorsements and a whole bunch of whataboutism about POTUS 42!?!?
     
  16. Pyrojodge

    Pyrojodge Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

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    Pretty much sums up what is wrong with our Country...
     
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  17. northshore

    northshore Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    Were all big boys here, you can say it - 'Trump' :p
     
  18. SloBurn

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    Not according to the 18 women who have accused him of harassment and assault.
     
  19. SloBurn

    SloBurn Member

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    Did I say I had an issue with it? NO, every one has their own opinion. As far as "sleezeball and chief" they seem pretty much self explanatory.
     
  20. kvduff

    kvduff Member

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    Did you really use the word condem-nation while speaking of slick willy?
     
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