"What is wrong" was already asked....

[Havana Shamrock]

Why are we not talking about the reason these kids use violence in the first place. Mental Health the Austin bomber was anti Gay marriage (from a post he wrote) amongst other things I’m sure he didn’t use a gun he made bombs.
A terrorist in NYC on Halloween rented a uhaul and plowed pedestrians down killing them. The tools and means will always be available for someone determined to cause harm.

A common denominator in most of these school shootings are the shooters where “hurt” by someone and so the only way they can respond is to lash out with violence.
When girls are picked on in school they commit suicide
When boys are picked on they become shooters
The young white teenage boy nowadays are being turned into young white girls.
They can’t handle rejection or know how to fight back in my school days you either won the fight or you got your ass handed to you and went on your way.
If you raise your voice to a teenager now they curl up and cry.
Kids now spend every waking moment in front of a screen that’s the world they know it’s not a real world with real consequences so shooting your opponent isn’t real to them either.
We need to focus on mental issues not take away everyone’s rights.

 

[UnleashedBeast]

Wouldn't you rather find a way so that the original shooter was not able to start the shooting spree to begin with? Actually, I will answer my own question. No you don't.

Currently the majority of Americans value your absolutely unrestricted 2nd amendment rights to bear arms (which for the vast majority are just a toy/pastime) above the real risk that comes from having that same unrestricted right apply to everyone. And it means that you will continue to have more guns deaths than more restrictive countries, the odd mass shooting, and ironically, the perceived or real need for more "self defense" guns. Its a trade-off you are willing to make as a country. At least for now.

You couldn't be more wrong. "Shall not be infringed"!!!

That does not mean, regulate everything we can and still allow citizens the "minimal". Deaths from murder are a reality, no matter what is used as a tool. Stats show guns are used lawfully/correctly 99.9% of the time, yet liberals think the gun is the problem. I swear, liberalism is a disease.

 

[LTD.330]

A byproduct of this thread is that it has been well established who's who among the flaming liberals and staunch conservatives.

I gave up trying to argue gun control years ago. I've learned to only spend energy arguing with somebody if they are somebody I personally care about. Otherwise, it isn't worth the effort, nobody's opinions really change and it just creates a bunch of angst and hurt feelings.

I live in realville. No idealistic banning/elimination of guns will stop this violence. The people committing these acts of violence will just use knives, swords, improvised explosives, etc. The violence can't be totally prevented, just mitigated. When the violence does occur, the best way to confront that violence is with more violence. Specifically, a firearm and someone with the mindset and skill to use it is the most effective response.

 

[Steve S]

Well let's look at this data (also taken from another site):
US: murder rate 4.2 per 100,000, guns per 100 people 88.8
UK: murder rate 1.2, guns per 100 people ~6
Switzerland: murder rate 0.7, guns per 100 people 45.7

So, the US has a murder rate about three times that of the U.K., and over ten times as many guns per person - which they often cite as proof that more guns mean more murders. But, how does that explain that the U.K. has a murder rate about twice that of Switzerland, while Switzerland has about seven times as many guns per person?

If you were to look at the US numbers AFTER all the gang violence in certain cities was removed - the US numbers fall dramatically and will approach the UK numbers.

There are places in Chicago where I will not go due to the gang violence.... the greater majority of the murders in Chicago are gang related.

 

[MrHappy]

Round Two! https://www.google.com/amp/amp.time...ent-protests-walkouts-florida-school-shooting

April 20, 2018: National High School Walkout:
The plan calls for high school students to walk out on April 20, the 19th anniversary of the Columbine shooting, from at 10:00 a.m. local time until the end of the school day. The walkout encourages students to stay on campus in a common space for 17 minutes of silence in honor of the 17 people killed at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School, and then to participate in an open mic.


There are 168 hours in a week. Kids go to school roughly 38 hours. They have plenty of time to protest on their own dime.

I wrote our school board. I told them that they set a precedent that will now allow any kid with an agenda to protest on school time.

This is from our school handbook.
"Every absence whether excused or not, interrupts the student’s understanding of the material being presented and weakens his/her interest in the continuing program. Research shows that educational achievement is directly related to attendance."

Students plan abortion protest after debate on walkout
http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/students-plan-abortion-protest-debate-walkout-53929551

 

[M Prod]

Good for those kids standing up for what they believe in!

 

[MLauman]

Good for those kids standing up for what they believe in!

Yes, how wonderful that high school students can choose to cut class at will by pretending to protest a liberal cause.

 

[M Prod]

Yes, how wonderful that high school students can choose to cut class at will by pretending to protest a liberal cause.

Really? I don’t see it that way at all. I see it as there is a problem (no denying that) and therefore they are demanding action from the policy makers who have the power to do so. What that action is is not liberal or conservative or whatever you want to call it ..it’s a matter of life and death and something needs to be done. Something. Anything. Just act instead of continuing to sit on your hands. How can you fault them for that or label them liberal for doing so?

 

[Havana Shamrock]

Really? I don’t see it that way at all. I see it as there is a problem (no denying that) and therefore they are demanding action from the policy makers who have the power to do so. What that action is is not liberal or conservative or whatever you want to call it ..it’s a matter of life and death and something needs to be done. Something. Anything. Just act instead of continuing to sit on your hands. How can you fault them for that or label them liberal for doing so?

Really? Most of my taxes are school taxes when the kiddies walk out and everything stops my money and my sons education is wasted! How about they go to Mom and Dads workplace have them walk out of work and join them outside for a protest?
You can’t be serious? I understand there is a serious problem
But stopping education and taking away others rights is not the answer
Canada TOOK your right away it will NEVER happen in the USA
The first step to communism is to disarm the people they did it in CUBA and they’re all living a wonderful life over there.
Just stop blaming guns and blame the person responsible already.

 

[M Prod]

Really? Most of my taxes are school taxes when the kiddies walk out and everything stops my money and my sons education is wasted! How about they go to Mom and Dads workplace have them walk out of work and join them outside for a protest?
You can’t be serious? I understand there is a serious problem
But stopping education and taking away others rights is not the answer
Canada TOOK your right away it will NEVER happen in the USA
The first step to communism is to disarm the people they did it in CUBA and they’re all living a wonderful life over there.
Just stop blaming guns and blame the person responsible already.

What rights were taken away from me? I own guns and I also have the right to free healthcare so as I see it ..I have more rights than you. But priorities right? So long as you can walk into your local Wal Mart and buy a gun on a whim, all is good. ‘Merica. Yippy Kay Yay!

 

[M Prod]

it will NEVER happen in the USA

You know they said the exact same thing about slavery in the 1850's, right? There's a new generation coming. Things are going to change.

 

[MrHappy]

Good for those kids standing up for what they believe in!

So, I according to your beliefs they can walk out for any thing they believe in. As you can see they are going to walk out again April 20. For something they believe in.

Next week it could be Gay rights. On Friday Pro Gun rights. Monday, Pro Abortion. Friday, anti abortion. Pro immigration. Anti immigration. Women's rights. #MeToo. This list goes on and on.

As long as it is something they believe in! Right. Got it.

As a kid I could go to the local Ace Hardware, buy my hunting license, shot gun and shells.

 

[M Prod]

So, I according to your beliefs they can walk out for any thing they believe in. As you can see they are going to walk out again April 20. For something they believe in.

Next week it could be Gay rights. On Friday Pro Gun rights. Monday, Pro Abortion. Friday, anti abortion. Pro immigration. Anti immigration. Women's rights. #MeToo. This list goes on and on.

As long as it is something they believe in! Right. Got it.

Well now I think you're blowing it out of proportion just a bit, don't you think? I think the situation down there is dire to them, so they're taking drastic actions in accordance. None of those other issues you listed even come close to what they are facing so far as school shootings so according to them. And Bravo to them for doing SOMETHING seeing as no one else will.

I will say I sure am happy my kid doesn't have to go to school in the US.

 

[boatman37]

Let these kids have their protest on a Saturday morning and see how many show up. Then you will see how many are really in it for the 'cause'.

The kids walked out at my wife's school and the majority of those that did are not politically motivated and 1/2 probably coulsn't even tell you who the President is. There was a local school where the kids decided instead of walking out they would write an email to their representatives. I don't agree that more law is needed but do agree that they at least did something constructive.

 

[scoflaw]

Us gun totin members of the NRA aren't about to lay down our weapons because the kiddies want to cut class.
Cutting class is a drastic action ? Please.... they live for that sh!t
Prod, you just like to argue whether it be global warming or whatever the flavor of the day might be.
You have guns but can't go anywhere with them cause big brother says so. Believe or not but your rights, as a gun owner, have been infringed

 

[Maggieiscrazy]

What rights were taken away from me? I own guns and I also have the right to free healthcare so as I see it ..I have more rights than you. But priorities right? So long as you can walk into your local Wal Mart and buy a gun on a whim, all is good. ‘Merica. Yippy Kay Yay!

You think you have the right to free healthcare? That means you think you have the right to other people’s money that are paying for your healthcare.

 

[MLauman]

Really? I don’t see it that way at all. I see it as there is a problem (no denying that) and therefore they are demanding action from the policy makers who have the power to do so. What that action is is not liberal or conservative or whatever you want to call it ..it’s a matter of life and death and something needs to be done. Something. Anything. Just act instead of continuing to sit on your hands. How can you fault them for that or label them liberal for doing so?

I did not label the students as liberal, although clearly that is the ultimate goal of the very liberal 'educators' who are putting them up to this.
When they are parroting liberal slogans and sporting signs that are anti-Trump, anti-NRA and anti-2nd Amendment that's a pretty good indication that the source of their motivations are far more political than logical.

 

[Gofirstclass]

I see this walking out of school from a bit of a different angle.

It's my understanding that our school system is supposed to be preparing the students to become productive adults in the real world.

By allowing them to walk off the job (their job is to be in school and learn) you're giving them a false sense of what is right and what is wrong.

Let's see how successful that form of protest (walking off the job) is when they get out in the real world.

 

[M Prod]

You think you have the right to free healthcare? That means you think you have the right to other people’s money that are paying for your healthcare.

No one is paying for my healthcare. Believe you me that I pay my fair share in taxes that fully funds my healthcare. I imagine I do pay for some other poor person's health care though. And if that means some poor kid gets a life saving operation that they otherwise could not have afforded, I have no qualms with that seeing as I am a compassionate, decent human being.

 

[M Prod]

I see this walking out of school from a bit of a different angle.

It's my understanding that our school system is supposed to be preparing the students to become productive adults in the real world.

By allowing them to walk off the job (their job is to be in school and learn) you're giving them a false sense of what is right and what is wrong.

Let's see how successful that form of protest (walking off the job) is when they get out in the real world.

Didn't say there shouldn't be consequences. But I do applaud them for doing something since no one else will it seems.