What a positive COVID-19 test REALLY means

I find it really funny that the COVID conspiracy theorists try to verbally manipulate and discredit the stats to try to argue there is nothing going on other than a media and political conspiracy.

But to continue the entertainment, how do you explain the rapid rise in hospitalizations for COVID? I get that increased testing will find increased positive people that have mild symptoms. And mild cases are not a big deal. But the actions of governments is related to serious cases, which need hospitalization treatment, and deaths. And hospitalizations are on the rapid rise, right alongside new case increases (with a timing lag from testing to hospitalization expected and then from hospitalizations to deaths). They are highly correlated. Not a concern???
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Creekwood said:
I find it really funny that the COVID conspiracy theorists try to verbally manipulate and discredit the stats to try to argue there is nothing going on other than a media and political conspiracy.

But to continue the entertainment, how do you explain the rapid rise in hospitalizations for COVID? I get that increased testing will find increased positive people that have mild symptoms. And mild cases are not a big deal. But the actions of governments is related to serious cases, which need hospitalization treatment, and deaths. And hospitalizations are on the rapid rise, right alongside new case increases (with a timing lag from testing to hospitalization expected and then from hospitalizations to deaths). They are highly correlated. Not a concern???
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To me the issue is pick a number. Is it deaths? Is it hospitalizations? Is it cases? What number are we trying to control? The media's focus on the increase in cases is ridiculous. They make it a big scary number. But everyone knew that when we opened up, we would see more cases. What are we going to do -- sit in isolation forever? I wish they would look at the facts, instead of the hype. Sure there are stressed hospitals and stressed medical providers. But what is really happening at the hospitals -- what is the average age of patients, what is the average stay, how are the medications working, and how does that compare to NY, Italy, etc.? In other words, what are we doing better, what have we learned?
 
I agree with some of what you are saying, but there are many in the US (more in the US than anywhere) that are ignoring the stats altogether and it is makeing things much worse than it needs to be.

For comparison, Ontario had/has the worst COVID impact in Canada. Ontario in the south is very densely populated and the City of Toronto is the 4th largest city in NA Mexico City is 1st. Only NYC and LA are bigger in the US than Toronto. Here are Ontario's graphs. Ontario just posted the largest employment gains in years. Our businesses are re-opening There is a structured 3 phase plan that allows businesses to open if they follow the protocols for the phase we are in in that place. The phases are determined based on COVID cases stats (measured consistently, so even if inflated for testing, so what?). For the most part, people are following guidelines and mask wearing is the norm in stores etc.

What is different between the US and Ontario? Lack of consistent leadership in the US and politics coming before science. And the people letting it happen. Its simple. And the "sheep" some are talking about on here are not the ones that are social distancing and wearing masks and doing what they can to stop the spread. The sheep are the ones that are buying into this COVID is a conspiracy by the Dems in cooperation with the media B.S.. And they are the ones driving your horrible prolonged fight with COVID that is f-ing up your economy. There is another way. And here is what it looks like:
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alnav said:
I don't believe this statement is accurate. A "confirmed case" is a person who tests positive for covid. Once a person tests positive, subsequent tests are not counted as new cases.
See https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/201...out-epidemiology/monitoring-and-tracking.html
Monitoring and tracking the disease
"Having a case definition helps to make sure cases are counted the same way everywhere. In the United States, a confirmed case of COVID-19 is defined as a person who tests positive for the virus that causes COVID-19."

There can also be "probable" cases. They need to meet the criteria here:
https://wwwn.cdc.gov/nndss/conditions/coronavirus-disease-2019-covid-19/case-definition/2020/

Some states were mixing confirmed and probable cases in their data early on. But, this has mostly if not all worked out of the system. For details on how each state is currently reporting and evaluation of the quality of the data, see https://covidtracking.com/data
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The CDC can post guidelines, but local municipalities can determine their own means of testing and what is determined to be a "case". That's the huge problem, while some states and municipalities do try to standardize, many do not and set their own guidelines. And some of the variances go way off the charts. This is why the data is so flawed
 
Creekwood said:
I agree with some of what you are saying, but there are many in the US (more in the US than anywhere) that are ignoring the stats altogether and it is makeing things much worse than it needs to be.

For comparison, Ontario had/has the worst COVID impact in Canada. Ontario in the south is very densely populated and the City of Toronto is the 4th largest city in NA Mexico City is 1st. Only NYC and LA are bigger in the US than Toronto. Here are Ontario's graphs. Ontario just posted the largest employment gains in years. Our businesses are re-opening There is a structured 3 phase plan that allows businesses to open if they follow the protocols for the phase we are in in that place. The phases are determined based on COVID cases stats (measured consistently, so even if inflated for testing, so what?). For the most part, people are following guidelines and mask wearing is the norm in stores etc.

What is different between the US and Ontario? Lack of consistent leadership in the US and politics coming before science. And the people letting it happen. Its simple. And the "sheep" some are talking about on here are not the ones that are social distancing and wearing masks and doing what they can to stop the spread. The sheep are the ones that are buying into this COVID is a conspiracy by the Dems in cooperation with the media B.S.. And they are the ones driving your horrible prolonged fight with COVID that is f-ing up your economy. There is another way. And here is what it looks like:
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Democratic cities in America are responsible for the majority of the US deaths!!
 
dcwjd said:
Democratic cities in America are responsible for the majority of the US deaths!!
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It’s an infectious disease. Infectious diseases thrive where people are concentrated. Of course it’s going to be concentrated around cities, that’s where the people are. Politics has nothing to do with who gets sick and who doesn’t.
 
alnav said:
There are by now dozens if not hundreds of peer-reviewed research papers that have been published. Medical journals such as JAMA, NEJM, et al. only publish peer-reviewed articles.

Here's a convenient list of Covid-19 peer-reviewed research compiled by one of the specialist organizations:
COVID-19 Research & Peer-reviewed Publications
https://www.aaos.org/about/covid-19-information-for-our-members/research/

Enjoy.
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Just show me the studies that back up the tin pot dictators regulations which is the topic. Jeezzz...
 
CaptRonn said:
More flaws in data: https://justthenews.com/politics-po...ord-breaking-coronavirus-days-may-have-been-0
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Good article but the way I read it, the problem is not with the data but with the way it's displayed on Florida's primary dashboard. The dashboard is displaying the number of cases the state became aware of on a given day ("case date"). Case date is what is usually seen across all news sources on a daily basis, I think because it's the freshest number.

There is also an "event date" available in the data which is the date the person became symptomatic. This is either collected when the sample is taken or during case interviews. One issue with event date is that it may lag considerably. For example, I might go get a test on Monday after having showed symptoms today. Depending on the test lag, if my test is positive, my data point might not show up until week after next but back-dated to the symptom onset date. If my event date wasn't recorded, the case worker will ask me for that date and add it to the data set. If all else fails the date of sample collection will be the default.

I agree that looking at event date is more meaningful than the case date. Using this date provides an "epi curve" that gives a much fuller, albeit still imperfect, picture of daily infection behavior. I would urge anyone interested in the true picture to seek out the epi curve for their locality. My state shows it along with case date on the first screen in its "Key Measures" dashboard (see https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/coronavirus/key-measures/#statewide). Because of the inherent time lag, the data will not be complete for a while.

Not sure why Florida buries it but there have been reports of that state playing fast and loose with data displays. The good news is that the underlying data is usually available if one looks for it.
 
I read what some of you are writing and it is clear you just don’t get it.

We are almost all going to “get” covid-19! It is never going away.

I see posts using the word “control” like we humans can do something about it. We cannot.

Go back to what we were told in the early stages, that was when we were getting some truth. We were trying to flatten the curve. They never said stop it as they pretend now.

If you cannot see that the fear mongering is political you do not understand politics...
 
MonacoMike said:
I read what some of you are writing and it is clear you just don’t get it.

We are almost all going to “get” covid-19! It is never going away.

I see posts using the word “control” like we humans can do something about it. We cannot.

Go back to what we were told in the early stages, that was when we were getting some truth. We were trying to flatten the curve. They never said stop it as they pretend now.

If you cannot see that the fear mongering is political you do not understand politics...
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Again, we are in panic mode over a virus that 99.9% of the population will not die over.
 
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Henry Boyd said:
It’s an infectious disease. Infectious diseases thrive where people are concentrated. Of course it’s going to be concentrated around cities, that’s where the people are. Politics has nothing to do with who gets sick and who doesn’t.
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Bull crap. Guys like cuomo mandated nursing homes to take infected patients. That was a big part in the early deaths.
 
Creekwood said:
I agree with some of what you are saying, but there are many in the US (more in the US than anywhere) that are ignoring the stats altogether and it is makeing things much worse than it needs to be.

For comparison, Ontario had/has the worst COVID impact in Canada. Ontario in the south is very densely populated and the City of Toronto is the 4th largest city in NA Mexico City is 1st. Only NYC and LA are bigger in the US than Toronto. Here are Ontario's graphs. Ontario just posted the largest employment gains in years. Our businesses are re-opening There is a structured 3 phase plan that allows businesses to open if they follow the protocols for the phase we are in in that place. The phases are determined based on COVID cases stats (measured consistently, so even if inflated for testing, so what?). For the most part, people are following guidelines and mask wearing is the norm in stores etc.

What is different between the US and Ontario? Lack of consistent leadership in the US and politics coming before science. And the people letting it happen. Its simple. And the "sheep" some are talking about on here are not the ones that are social distancing and wearing masks and doing what they can to stop the spread. The sheep are the ones that are buying into this COVID is a conspiracy by the Dems in cooperation with the media B.S.. And they are the ones driving your horrible prolonged fight with COVID that is f-ing up your economy. There is another way. And here is what it looks like:
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When you get to the final phase, your numbers will rise. IL just hit the final phase 10 days ago. Guess what. The case numbers are rising.

no way to stop this thing. Have to figure out how to live with it.
 
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