Wet sounds vs JL audio

Discussion in 'Electronics Q&A' started by Siboatguy, Jan 28, 2018.

  1. Siboatguy

    Siboatguy Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Holmdel,NJ
    2005 Sea Ray 320 Sundancer
    Twins V-Drives
    2017 5.7 Mercruisers
    Gonna change all the speakers and add a AMP with a sub... Debating on 8inch or 10inch sub... And debating on JL audio or Wet sounds... prob gonna do a 6 channel amp.... To run everything... Would love to hear what everyone has....
     
  2. Steve S

    Steve S Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    2000 400 Sedan Bridge with twin CAT 3116's

    2000 340 Sundancer - SOLD!
    210 Monaco 1987 - SOLD!
    Twin Caterpillar 3116's 350 HP straight drives
    I put JL speakers in my 340 Dancer with a Fusion head unit. Sounded great at a good price.
     
  3. Fly'n Family

    Fly'n Family Active Member

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    Sep 19, 2013
    TX / CO
    2002 Cruisers Yachts 3870
    2003 Boston Whaler Sport 130 w/40 hp Merc
    Twin 425hp Crusaders
    I had JL components in my 370, sounded good.

    New boat, and looking at a new system for it. Went to a marine stereo place the other day and he recommended Wet Sounds. Carried other stuff as well, but said the Wet Sounds would meet my requirement of exceptional clarity from a whisper to concert level decibels.

    He had a wide variety of systems displayed, and connected the following to see if it was what I was looking for - and it absolutely rocked. Of course there's a price to pay for meeting my ear requirements...

    SDX6 - 6 channel amp (serious power)
    2 - Revo8's
    2 - Revo6's
    1 - Revo10HP
    1 - Rockford Fosgate multi-zone head unit

    We have a boat show coming up, so holding off until then (next week) to see if there is anything better/more cost effective - but as of right now I'm leaning pretty heavy to the above with the addition of two more Revo8's for on deck.
     
  4. Stee6043

    Stee6043 Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    West Michigan
    1997 Sundancer 400
    7.4L Gassers
    You'll get plenty of feedback on the brands people prefer. Both of the brands you've mentioned get high praise. Both also seem to be at a similar price point.

    I will offer up that a single 10" sub has been more than enough for my setup. I originally thought I'd want to add another at some point but a few weekends with one JL 10" it became pretty clear I wouldn't need anything more.

    Good luck and enjoy your project.
     
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  5. Wylie_Tunes

    Wylie_Tunes Active Member

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    No contest, go with a 10" at least or even a 12". Not only does the larger woofer deliver deeper bass, its greater surface area yields greater output, without the need for additional amp power. Larger woofer is just more efficient.

    Beyond that, until you list some details, you are just comparing brand names that offer multiple speaker and amp options. Both are top tier quality, to not much of a debate in this department. But with some details, you can then begin to compare models and come up with what will meet your goals. May find is a mix of both brands.

    A 6 chnl amp can drive 2-3 pair of in-boats and a woofer. Wet Sounds offers 3 different models, JL offers 1 and its price and output are close to the entry level Wet Sounds.
     
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  6. Kendall

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    Feb 3, 2009
    Lake Wylie SC/SC Coast
    2006 260DA
    "WET BAR"
    Generator

    Tow Vehicle:
    2006 F-350 Dually 4X4 Diesel
    350 MAG w/Bravo III
    I have used JL speakers, subs and amps before and they are really good maybe a little on the expensive side. I wanted to mention that Rockford Fosgate makes a really nice marine line also and I have just installed one of their free air subs and set of 6.5" speakers and they sound great off of my Alpine PDX amps. Lower cost than the others.
     
  7. Wylie_Tunes

    Wylie_Tunes Active Member

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    Although you could run any woofer in a sealed, vented or IB alignment, Rockford does not build a true IB woofer, where as Wet Sounds, JL Audio and now Kicker Marine, do. Its a jack of all trades so to speak. The Punch 10 actually has the same retail price of the Wet Sounds Revo-10FA, which IS a true IB woofer. Running the Punch or Prime 10" as an IB will reduce its actual power handling, not to mention its potential performance. The Revo-10FA will handle significantly more amp wattage in an IB alignment compared to a woofer thats not a true IB.

    The Punch 6.5 with a $300 MSRP is right there with the Wet Sounds Revo-6 and about $100 more then the JL MX650. Not even going to talk about the Prime 6.5. Its really an OEM level speaker and can not compete to the others.
     
  8. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    As a note for the Woofer installation - in my 400DA the factory installed woofer was simply mounted to the thin fiberglass cockpit insert. That thin fiberglass moved a lot and created some unwanted harmonics. When I replaced the system and installed a new 10" JL IB, I glued a backing like 3/4" plywood to the inside of the fiberglass then screwed the speaker through the fiberglass and into that plywood backing. Also, I lined the hull shell behind the speaker with an attenuation mat so any resonance from the hull was dampened. The resulting sound was much improved and "tight".
     
  9. Kendall

    Kendall Member

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    Feb 3, 2009
    Lake Wylie SC/SC Coast
    2006 260DA
    "WET BAR"
    Generator

    Tow Vehicle:
    2006 F-350 Dually 4X4 Diesel
    350 MAG w/Bravo III

    Hi Wylie Tunes:

    I don't see where Rockford indicates reduced power handling for the marine PM210S4 which gives full specs and documentation as an IB sub....but I'm always open to learning something new. The Rockford sounds great under the seat in the stock sub location of my 260 DA but so did the previous JL 10 IB.

    Manual link below:

    https://pdf.crutchfieldonline.com/ImageBank/v20150812114000/Manuals/575/575PM210S4.PDF

    Anyone interested can check sites for real world pricing.
     
    Last edited: Jan 29, 2018
  10. Siboatguy

    Siboatguy Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    2005 Sea Ray 320 Sundancer
    Twins V-Drives
    2017 5.7 Mercruisers
    Thanks everyone for the input.... Theres a boat show coming up the end of Feb in Atlantic City... Gonna go to that and hope i can make up my mind there... And thats really good idea with the 3/4 ply...I'm just gonna cut a hole under one of the seats and its thin fiberglass... I might do something like that... I also gotta decide if I'm gonna change the head unit... I hear fusion makes a good one.... But then i gotta change my wired remote also... Does a head unit make that much of a diffence if your pushing everything though a amp anyway???
     
  11. Siboatguy

    Siboatguy Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Holmdel,NJ
    2005 Sea Ray 320 Sundancer
    Twins V-Drives
    2017 5.7 Mercruisers
    Also debating on where to put the 10inch sub... If anyone has pics of where they put there subs would love to see....
     
  12. GoFastr

    GoFastr Cool Runnings GOLD Sponsor

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    Jan 20, 2016
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    2003 Sea Ray 270 SunDeck MX 6.2L MPI w/Bravo III
    Tow: 2012 Ford F150 Raptor SVT
    Mercruiser MX 6.2L MPI w/Bravo III
    With the Fusion units, at least the ones that end with an "N" (for NMEA 2000) and maybe others too, you can display and control it from your GPS/Chartplotter at the helm too. These normally have a much larger screen and that way there is no need for a wired remote at the helm.

    It would be interesting to hear from these audiophile guys if they know of any other quality marine head units that can also connect to the NMEA 2000 network and can be displayed on the GPS/Chartplotter screens too.
     
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  13. Wylie_Tunes

    Wylie_Tunes Active Member

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    A true IB woofer is going to be built more internal dampening (suspension), compared to an acoustic-suspension/bass-reflex woofer . A woofer designed for a small enclosure, uses the internal air volume as part of its dampening suspension. An IB woofer is intended to have a large air volume behind it, like 3.0ft3 or larger, that does not offer the same dampening.

    A printed manual will typically not tell you that running a woofer most ideal for acoustic-suspension or bass-reflex, in an IB setup, will reduce its power handling. Although that manual gives some hint to this, if you read between the lines. This is something we learn as installer. Without that internal or air dampening, higher wattage, like we can drive an AS or BR setup, will likely over drive the woofer as well cause "fish-flop". Over driving can damage the motor or separate the surround from the cone.
     
  14. Wylie_Tunes

    Wylie_Tunes Active Member

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    If im reading your signature correctly, you have a 2017 model boat? Im more interested in features and user friendlyness rather then what it delivers to an amp. It would have to be a real bargain basement head, to consider changing at this point. Clarion, polk or Rockford, no worries. MA/Jensen, Infinity, yeah, id consider an upgrade.
     
  15. Siboatguy

    Siboatguy Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    2005 Sea Ray 320 Sundancer
    Twins V-Drives
    2017 5.7 Mercruisers
    No sry just changed that... I have a 2005 and my head unit is a clarion.. I like that fusion you can control though my Garmin GPS.. But when I'm at the dock Im not sure I want to leave my GPS on all the time.. And I see its iPhone friendly and we are big apple people...
     
  16. ttmott

    ttmott Well-Known Member

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    You know I've always liked that Clarion M303. It's just a solid easy to use stereo with very good specs and very inexpensive. And with the MW1 wired remotes you will have a diverse and solid system.
     
  17. Wylie_Tunes

    Wylie_Tunes Active Member

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    Both fusion and clarion can connect through an APP, so when at the dock, you can use your smart phone as a wireless remote. However, if you are also using that same phone as your music source, its a little cumbersome to go back and forth between the music streaming app and the remote app.
     
  18. GoFastr

    GoFastr Cool Runnings GOLD Sponsor

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    Jan 20, 2016
    Cayman Islands
    2003 Sea Ray 270 SunDeck MX 6.2L MPI w/Bravo III
    Tow: 2012 Ford F150 Raptor SVT
    Mercruiser MX 6.2L MPI w/Bravo III
    Wylie_Tunes, I was trying to send you a PM and didn't see how to send it like on most other forums. Under profiles I found Start New Conversation so I posted something there to you. Thx.
     
  19. Wylie_Tunes

    Wylie_Tunes Active Member

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    I got your earlier PM and skimmed over it, just have read it in detail yet and composed a reply. I will though for sure.
     
  20. Steve S

    Steve S Active Member GOLD Sponsor

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    Jun 5, 2007
    Northern IL.
    2000 400 Sedan Bridge with twin CAT 3116's

    2000 340 Sundancer - SOLD!
    210 Monaco 1987 - SOLD!
    Twin Caterpillar 3116's 350 HP straight drives
    Yes the Fusion is iPhone friendly. You can control the head unit from the app and leave the GPS off.

    I did that on my 340 Dancer. Added the Fusion 750 head unit with NMEA2000 backbone to the GPS. Had the app to run the system via Bluetooth.
     

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