Well did Some of the Better Technical Posters leave CSR?

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  1. Four Suns

    Four Suns Head Pot Stirrer TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    2003 480 DB
    Zodiac ProJet Dinghy
    Yamaha 110vx WaveRunner
    QSM-11 Diesels
    What is sad along with interesting is if you go back a couple of years and look at some of the earlier posts, things were much different. I just went back and looked at jg300da's posts from 2006 - 2007 frankly just wondering "where did this sh!t go south?" He joined and had meaningful and nice dialogue with a lot of people (even sent a rod holder to someone). But here's the thread that "changed everything":


    It started with the whole "big boat guys" vs "little boat guys" with me discussing how I don't like 5 dock hands jumping on my boat when I pull into a marina... Heck.. Even the conversations with KEARNEY were cordial... But it took this twisted turn of "you should feel lucky for what you got" attitude. Then there was the followup thread:


    Stuff started going downhill after that... like this:


    I'm not posting these threads to get in anyone's face... just trying to figure out what drove so much hatred/bitterness. His first crack at FrankW was during that time.

    I even went back and looked at the first "bad" exchanges with kearney and w1ngless. Kearny got upset because he stated that wi-fi didn't work well in a boat because of the rocking motion and I asked him if his boat was rocking at 2.5 MHz. All went downhill and he called me a jackass. With w1ngless, I started a thread on raw water flow sensors and he started riding me about my lack of skills on boat operation and impellers.

    Yes.. I have a list of people that are pissed off and maybe I poked a little more than I should of. I don't recall coming out and blasting someone for no reason though... I admit after w!ngless started his "I'm a perfect boater" attitude and putting down my boating skills, I probably went too far with the stuffed duck. But man... it was funny... you have to admit the pot smoking duck was funny... and when the guy kept coming back under different names... well..

    There are some strange people out there and I guess some of us had the impression if you had enough resources to own a Sea Ray, you probably were not a psycho... That was wrong. I went back and looked at when that AZ guy first attacked and it was out of the blue because I pointed out that "fresh water" was actually ******** and the AZ guy went ballistic... not just in his post... but started PM'ing me and a few other people about me and how I was going to be his "project". Ignoring him did not make him go away.. it made him angrier.

    I'm not posting this to relive all that but I know it creeped me out and a lot of other people when w!ngless posted a picture of my house (I don't recall ever posting a picture of my house on CSR) and my wife got a really creepy letter from Trenton, NJ. No one deserves that.

    I don't like a boating board that has "anonymous" people. It doesn't work for me. It may for others... but I prefer to know who I'm talking to. I know a lot of people on CSR outside of CSR... that should not be a surprise to anyone.

    I respect this is Jim's site and it's whatever he wants it to be. But it may not be what some other people want it to be and so it's time to move on. I pretty much have a target on my back with a few people and I even posted over here today:


    And was told I was full of crap (which is fine and I could care less but if *I* say someone is "full of crap", it's a different story).

    So... I am just saying this: "Maybe it's time we see other people." Frankly, I like to write and I have a certain style and CSR is probably not the place to put it. So let Jim and crew take CSR where their vision is and maybe I will find a more appropriate venue for my stuff as well. I think there is little hope of repairing the jg300da type of relationships in the forum. I haven't posted much in the past month and look at the crap that is still escalating. It can't be all me.... and I'm pretty sure the AZ guy is back under a different name... it's not hard to figure out.

    No hard feelings... and I'll poke in and read about how a single engine boat doesn't hit logs like a twin engine boat from time to time... and maybe answer the occasional fluid dynamics question... I do have a lot of content on CSR with pictures and I think 1000 out of my 7000 posts may actually be useful to someone somewhere.

    I did read Uplate's response in this thread and agree with and appreciate what he wrote.

    One last thing. Before people start going on about "You need to always be anonymous", take a look at this:


    I think certain people enjoy watching stuff like that... I even see in this thread the comment of "ego's and promoting blogs." I'm not really sure my "ego" drove my blog... it was just fun to write and that thing had over 10,000 unique visitors to it... what's wrong with that?


    Carry on.
    Last edited: Jan 1, 2010
  2. mistercomputerman

    mistercomputerman Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Jan 6, 2008
    Virginia Beach, VA
    410 Sundancer - 2001
    Twin 8.1L Mercruisers - 2009
    Bon Voyage

    See you on the other side...

  3. Chris R

    Chris R Member

    Mar 17, 2008
    Bloomington, Il - formerly in Gig Harbor, WA
    In between boats, now. Former boat: 2008 340 DA
    8.1 Horizons w/V-drives
    Well said Gary....
  4. kpetry

    kpetry Member

    Jul 19, 2008
    Live in Ellettsville, IN - close to Bloomington
    2002 Sea Ray 340DA
    Twin 8.1 Horizons, inboard
    Appreciate the thoughtful post Gary. You've done your research well as usual. Gives us all something to think about. Thank you for all your helpful and knowledgeable input over the years!
  5. Bridog

    Bridog Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Gulf Shores AL / Brick NJ
    Previous 220SD, 260DA, 300DA
    Mercury 150 4S OB
    Ron, You spent New Years Eve searching for "Ass Clowns"? You really DO need the 2010 boating season to start.:smt043
  6. Bridog

    Bridog Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Gulf Shores AL / Brick NJ
    Previous 220SD, 260DA, 300DA
    Mercury 150 4S OB
    Gary, The "letter" came from Trenton NJ??? Now that makes perfect sense. Living in NJ my whole life I can tell you nothing good has ever come from Trenton. I'm glad to see you back. Sincerely, Brian
  7. Uplate

    Uplate New Member

    Oct 13, 2008
    Nashville, TN. Percy Priest Lake
    1998 Sea Ray Sundancer 310
    Westebeke 4KW Generator
    Twin 5.7 Mercruiser Carbuerated.
    Alpha 1 Drives

    I can appreciate the effort involved for such a post with attached links. This is not something that happens without a lot of time spent on research. It was an interesting read.

    My opinion is to ignore any post that is obviously posted to stir up conflict and bash others, no matter how much you want to fire back (I have learned).

    If no one responds to these posts, then the poster has lost what they desire...conflict. No matter how you may feel about it, Ignore it, and once they realise they can not stir it up they will go away eventually.

    Stay Here or not, peace and happy motoring to you and your family..
  8. Henry Boyd

    Henry Boyd Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Apr 24, 2007
    Above Cape Ann
    02' 280 DA
    496 w BIII
    + 1, Simple math, FrankW contributes freely and honestly. jg300 just comments. JG, I respect your right to comment in this forum, but until you actually contribute, hold your tongue before criticizing those who actually are here to educate and help.

    Yeah, I know Frank is a big boy and can take care of himself. But he also needs to know that other people appreciate his help.

  9. comsnark

    comsnark New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    NJ Shore
    SeaRay SunSport
    Personally, I am a big fan of both Frank W. and Playdate.

    PlayDate's words of wisdom has saved me significant trouble and big bucks on my boat. My only regret is that I don't see more of his posts.

    Frank W. has not helped me directly. . .but only because he mostly speaks about bigger boats with equipment (like, Cats) that I don't have. Still, his knowledge and wisdom is clear.

    Neither individual delves into the ad hominem attacks that have brought so much bitterness.

    I raise my glass to both individuals
  10. islandhopper00

    islandhopper00 Active Member

    Jan 4, 2007
    Lake Norman (Denver) NC
    240 Sundancer
    5.0L 260hp, BIII outdrive
    I don't know about all the crap, not sure I want to let it consume me. BUT....I only have one question for Four Sons, (Gary).

    How in the hell am I going to get a copy of your book?

    If you pm me with an address to send payment, or someway to get one, I promise I won't stalk you.
  11. Summer Fun II

    Summer Fun II New Member

    Oct 8, 2008
    New York
    Looking again
    I think you have a better chance at seeing God first, Before you see the book. :grin: . :smt043. :smt043
  12. hack4alivin

    hack4alivin Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 18, 2008
    Joppa, Maryland
    320 Dancer
    Twin 350 V Drives
    All of those who would like to put this issue to bed and start 2010 fresh say Aye!
  13. skibum

    skibum Well-Known Member

    Jul 30, 2007
    Perry Hall, MD
    2005 Sundancer 260
    496 Magnum HO
    Aye, I'll drink to that.
  14. electricaldoctor

    electricaldoctor Active Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    May 14, 2008
    Thousand Islands, Rockport, Ontario.
    1988 390 EC
    454 Mercruiser Gassers
    Kill it & let's move on. Leave the old 2009 negative junk in the past!! :smt038 :thumbsup: :smt038 :thumbsup:
  15. katricol

    katricol Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 4, 2008
    2000 540DA
    CAT 3196 660 HP
    Why can't everyone just IGNORE the dumb-asses that you don't care about??? Just ignore them and they will become irrelevent...Ric
  16. avguy

    avguy New Member

    Dec 19, 2006
    East TN
    '05 240 Sundeck
    350 Mag
    Someone else said the same thing & I agree 100%. No audience & they'll go away.

    Maybe I'm in the minority here but I just can't see the point of arguing with anyone on an internet forum. If they don't share my opinions so what? I don't agree with a lot of what's said & done on here but I sure don't let it stress me out :smt009

    Someone wants to light a candle in their bilge to check for fumes I feel an obligation to tell them and anyone else contemplating the same thing they might want to rethink that. If they then give me 100 reasons why they think it's ok to do that then so be it. Have a nice after life.......
  17. Four Suns

    Four Suns Head Pot Stirrer TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Williamsburg, VA
    2003 480 DB
    Zodiac ProJet Dinghy
    Yamaha 110vx WaveRunner
    QSM-11 Diesels
    The problem is, as I explained, they don't go away.
  18. cpt. sundancer

    cpt. sundancer New Member

    Oct 23, 2009
    red wing,mn.
    1981 sundancer 260/425 h.p.
    merc.355 ci, B&M blower
    have no fear,i'm still here to help. :grin:
  19. Capt Bob F

    Capt Bob F New Member

    Oct 14, 2009
    Columbus, Ohio
    2005 Sundancer 340, Raymarine Chartplotter, Auto Pilot, Bow Thruster, Sat TV
    2008 Whaler 13'
    8.1 Horizon MerCruiser V-drives

    Good job Gary!!!
  20. CSR_Admin

    CSR_Admin Administrator Staff Member

    Mar 10, 2004
    Amen. Again, its a pretty simple concept and one which makes internet forums go round and round. I don't care if you are discussing cruise ships or beanie babies, forums hit a certain mass at some point and you will not get all like-minded individuals. Its simply impossible.

    I am going to close this thread. Its the same peope talking about the same crap that has already been discussed lots before.

    And to the poster that said I let anybody join the forum because I want them to be a customer of BOE Marine. Huh? Club Sea Ray is free for anybody to join. Whether they are a customer of my company or not. The two are not related whatsoever. The only thing my company even uses this site for is some banner ads and shopping links that are non-intrusive. I don't even have a link in my signature.

    That same poster was also in amazement that we allow trolls to join the site. Well, I do not have my own personal CIA that profiles everybody on the internet and can pick out the trolls to disallow them on the site. Not possible. What I can do is delete them or ban them when they show themselves which we do often. Its usually the same few folks logging in froma hotel or library or some IP I can't delete. Its amazing that losers like this exist. But they do.
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