Turtle are you just talking from a MAC standpoint, I bought Pinnacle 11 due to the others not being able to edit AVCHD on my PC, not 5 years ago but about 12 months ago :huh:
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Turtle are you just talking from a MAC standpoint, I bought Pinnacle 11 due to the others not being able to edit AVCHD on my PC, not 5 years ago but about 12 months ago :huh:
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I was replying to Bill's comment that FCP had issues with AVCHD.
PC's have a problem just running much less editing video, so i'm not surprised they still haven't figured out AVCHD.
PC's have a problem just running much less editing video, so i'm not surprised they still haven't figured out AVCHD.
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Ok, then are you using AVCHD clips at 1920x1080 resolution now? And editing them doesn't require re-encoding, with the resultant loss of video and audio quality? Not to mention quadrupling the size of the disk files. The trouble with intermediate codecs is they tend to take foreeeeeeeever and muddle the image quality along the way. I haven't checked within the last month but I don't recall FCP handling it natively.
Sure, if all you want is DVD resolution you can use any number of cheap camcorders and software. I agree, for that iDVD and iMovie are fine programs, if that's all you want out of your video quality.
The software market is way behind the camcorder hardware when it comes to editing hi-def clips. It's startling how poorly most of the programs handle it. Pinnacle realyl seems to suck at it. Ulead and Nero are slightly 'less worse'. Vegas is better but not without it's own issues.
Sure, if all you want is DVD resolution you can use any number of cheap camcorders and software. I agree, for that iDVD and iMovie are fine programs, if that's all you want out of your video quality.
The software market is way behind the camcorder hardware when it comes to editing hi-def clips. It's startling how poorly most of the programs handle it. Pinnacle realyl seems to suck at it. Ulead and Nero are slightly 'less worse'. Vegas is better but not without it's own issues.
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Do you smoke crack everyday or just on the days you respond to my posts. Currently, FCP handles everything but the fringe formats, like the RED HD format.
Bill, when was the last time you sent someone a DVD in a higher resolution than 720X480? I'll bet never.
Bill, when was the last time you sent someone a DVD in a higher resolution than 720X480? I'll bet never.
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Bill,
Did you see I have a JVC Everio MG555U. It's a year old, but not High Def. I was looking for some software advice since I've had troubles with the older Pinnacle Studio 9, I decided to upgrade to Studio 12 for a temporary solution.
Anyway you guys are talking Chinese to me now and what sounds like way more complicated that this camera can generate to produce for some of the applications.
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Even iMovie (That's their free program) supports AVCHD. .9 second google search came up with this.
"iMovie supports standard and high definition video, as well as the most popular formats, including DV, HDV, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 and even AVCHD."
It's all Wes's fault for pulling us off track.
Is studio 12 working better Todd?
"iMovie supports standard and high definition video, as well as the most popular formats, including DV, HDV, MPEG-2, MPEG-4 and even AVCHD."
It's all Wes's fault for pulling us off track.
Is studio 12 working better Todd?
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All of the video I work with is 1920 x 1080, most of it at 17mbps FXP but a few clips are at the more compressed 7mbps SP rate. Do you work with any such clips? Then you know about the conversion loss and timecode issues dealing with it. If not then what's your point?
I'm not arguing that FCP isn't a fine program, just that like many, MANY other video editing programs it's not without it's issues when trying to deal with high-def material. How those programs "handle" the hi-def material is problematic, at best; FCP included.
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I've not worked with the Everio but from what I've read it's got a lot to offer. I'm with you in being puzzled about which video editor to put up with using, and what upgrades are worthwhile. Video editing has never been 'easy' but with all the formats and resolutions out there now it's certainly gotten more complicated. I'll probably bite on getting the Vegas 9 upgrade but can't say I'm terribly thrilled with the program. Fortunately it's relatively inexpensive. I guess it's the usual problem of 'good, fast, cheap... pick two'.
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my point is, stop giving advice on things you do not know.
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And yet when you're asked a simple question, you can't answer it. That's because you've gotten it wrong.
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Todd,
Adobe Premier Pro is the answer, it's great. I got tired of screwing around with the lesser stuff last year and bit the bullet. Well worth the expense, saves me on blood pressure drugs:grin:.
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Bill, I answered it. I work with about a dozen video formats in HD and SD and every audio format known to man, all day long. I know what it's capable of doing and not doing because I own it, unlike you.
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AVCHD is H.264. The intra-frame compression makes it rather hard to edit without some transformation to an intermediate format. Otherwise editing is limited to doing cuts and pastes on I frames or having to compute each inter-frame multiple times during the editing process, which is stupidly inefficient.
Best regards,
Frank C
Best regards,
Frank C
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Agreed. Made worse by problems when converting from it to whatever the video editor prefers to use as it's native format. Still, for consumer video it manages to allow for a great picture in a much smaller disk (or SD flash) file size.
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It was designed as a capture medium, not an editing medium. Everyone I know converts it to ProRes 422.
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Yep- nothing but problems as I went from versions 11 to 12 to 14 of Pinnacle Studio. (only kept upgrading to the next disappointment due to rebates offered). The 14 version of the program is better than all the crashes with earlier versions, but still marginal with AVCHD. Surprising because we have used the higher end Pro versions in the past with good success at our College's Cable television station for PBS projects.
I have had pretty good luck with Corel Studio X2 on my home system editing AVCHD material from my Sony SR11 and my JVC GZ HD300. Of course the software also works great with standard video (my JVC GZ MG155 underwater set-up). Corel Studio is under a hundred bucks, with the usual discounts where I shop, and is certainly easier to use than the clunky Vegas interface. You might give that a try.
And wow- a couple of editors have spent wayyyy too much time in the dark- lighten up guys. Everybody is just trying to be helpful. Do I know what I'm talking about? Maybe... we actually have 17 Emmy's in the showcase at my office-quite a few of which I worked on (for best educational series). But my directing, producing, editing days are just hobby work now.
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I have had pretty good luck with Corel Studio X2 on my home system editing AVCHD material from my Sony SR11 and my JVC GZ HD300. Of course the software also works great with standard video (my JVC GZ MG155 underwater set-up). Corel Studio is under a hundred bucks, with the usual discounts where I shop, and is certainly easier to use than the clunky Vegas interface. You might give that a try.
And wow- a couple of editors have spent wayyyy too much time in the dark- lighten up guys. Everybody is just trying to be helpful. Do I know what I'm talking about? Maybe... we actually have 17 Emmy's in the showcase at my office-quite a few of which I worked on (for best educational series). But my directing, producing, editing days are just hobby work now.
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