vacuflush questions.....

The answer to your question is no.

If your vacu flush toilet is anything like mine, or any other one I've seen, the only way for water to enter the toilet bowl is through the use if the foot pedal. So unless that is faulty, which I doubt, then the reason for the fresh water pump cycling is unrelated to your holding tank issue. Also, the key switch in the head has to be on in order for the vacuum pump to run. With the current state of your tank, I doubt you've left that in the on position all this time.

You are correct, sorry. I don't think the vacuflush can "run" like a normal toilet unless the foot pedal is depressed. Now if there were a leak in the foot pedal valve, it could, but I've never heard of that as an issue with these units. Also, you'd hear your water pump cycling frequently. Anyway, filling the tank takes a lot of flushes, filling it to the top is pretty unusual. You must have girls onboard - I can usually tell by the toilet paper usage.
 
You are correct, sorry. I don't think the vacuflush can "run" like a normal toilet unless the foot pedal is depressed. Now if there were a leak in the foot pedal valve, it could, but I've never heard of that as an issue with these units. Also, you'd hear your water pump cycling frequently. Anyway, filling the tank takes a lot of flushes, filling it to the top is pretty unusual. You must have girls onboard - I can usually tell by the toilet paper usage.

don't think the foot pedal valve is leaking....no signs of water dumping into the bowl after the pedal is released.....the water pump only cycles for a couple seconds every hour or so but i think i found the source of the leak to cause that...while checking out the vacuflush system last WE i noticed there is significant rust under the hot water heater and the rust was moist....i suspect the water heater has rusted through and has a small leak...so that will be my next project...

i have to remember this is a 14 yr. old boat so repair and/or replacement of stuff like this is to be expected...the PO was not the mechanical type so i feel sure he did not fully understand how the various systems work and the maintenance each one requires....he likely just had things fixed as they broke....the boat is in great condition overall but just needs some TLC.....

cliff
 
got the vacuflush parts ordered...they should be here this week so i plan to get a tank pump out and install the new parts and clean up 'the mess' this coming WE....i plan to replace the duck bill valves, the vent filter, the bowl seal, and the flush ball... maybe that will hold me for a while as far as toilet system issues go....hopefully i will not find a crack in the holding tank....i will post an update next week for the archives...

this is a novice question about the fresh water system....at the transom i have a 'inlet' connection and i have a separate standard spigot....i assume the inlet connection is to hook up shore water to feed the water directly through the boat without using the fresh water tank and pump...i'm not really sure what the spigot is for....is this for draining the fresh water tank with the pump?....can i hook up a hose pipe to this spigot and use the fresh water pump and tank to hose down the bilge during my clean-up process?.....i have a full fresh water tank at 35 gallons so this should be more than enough water for the clean-up...

thanks...
cliff
 
can i hook up a hose pipe to this spigot and use the fresh water pump and tank to hose down the bilge during my clean-up process?

Yes, that's what I use it for, and for washing the boat - it's a great feature!
 
that spigot is in your transom locker right? spray away.....wish I had one in my rode locker on the bow...I've seen some with those too.
 
thanks...yes the spigot is in the transom locker....i was pretty sure that was for a wash down option but not 100%......

i added a sprayer in the anchor locker of my 215EC.....it was a very nice addition...kept the mud washed off of the bow when the anchor was retrieved....

cliff
 
got the vacuflush parts ordered...they should be here this week so i plan to get a tank pump out and install the new parts and clean up 'the mess' this coming WE....i plan to replace the duck bill valves, the vent filter, the bowl seal, and the flush ball... maybe that will hold me for a while as far as toilet system issues go....hopefully i will not find a crack in the holding tank....i will post an update next week for the archives...
thanks...cliff
I am late to this thread, but it sounds like the water pump is cycling and you suspect the head. Then you have ordered duck bill valves, as well as some parts for the head? Our vacuflush needed attention when we purchased our 2000 380DA. There was a vacuum leak that caused the vacuum pump to keep cycling every 10 minutes or so. On a quiet night you could hear the vacuum leak 'hissing' in the head. I purchased a gasket kit, got an old shirt and some rubber gloves, and replaced the gaskets. No more vacuum leak, and everything was happiness. Then someone flushed something and stuck a duck-bill valve. Same symptom(vacuum pump cycling about every 5-10 minutes, 'hissing' sound back by the holding tank this time) I purchased new duck bills, but one of the club forums here suggested filling the toilet bowl with water/ treatment(in my case we use Odorlos) then blasting a big wad of water through the system with a single flush. This has worked for us twice now. I still have the duckbills, new and ready to go if needed. If the WATER PUMP is actually cycling, you should find where the water is going. In rare cases the pump itself can lose pressure, but usually a cycling pump means a water leak. If it is leaking at the head/foot pump there should be water under the head. I do not think it can leak into the vacuum section, but if it did the vacuum pump would also cycle. The holding tank is after the vacuum section, so a crack (or leak) in the main tank will not cause either the water pressure pump, or the vacuum pump to cycle(it can however make a horrible mess that is hard to clean up). When we had a small mystery water leak, causing the water pressure pump to cycle every hour or two, it turned out to be the water heater. I did not find it until it really broke loose on a trip to Monterey.
 
When we had a small mystery water leak, causing the water pressure pump to cycle every hour or two, it turned out to be the water heater. I did not find it until it really broke loose on a trip to Monterey.

thanks for the input.....i have heard the 'hissing' sound from the bowl and see that the water has been sucked out so that tells me the bowl seal and/or the flush ball is likely shot....i have not heard the vacuum pump cycling off and on but it does cycle for around 30 seconds or more after a flush...based on what i have read here that is too long of a cycle....

the water pump cycling off and on every hour or so is likely coming from my hot water heater....i recently noticed there was significant amount of rust under the HWH and this rust was moist....so i think this is the source of the slow water leak causing the pump cycling....so as soon as i fix the toilet system i have to replace the HWH....fun times...

cliff
 
thanks for the input.....i have heard the 'hissing' sound from the bowl and see that the water has been sucked out so that tells me the bowl seal and/or the flush ball is likely shot....i have not heard the vacuum pump cycling off and on but it does cycle for around 30 seconds or more after a flush...based on what i have read here that is too long of a cycle....

the water pump cycling off and on every hour or so is likely coming from my hot water heater....i recently noticed there was significant amount of rust under the HWH and this rust was moist....so i think this is the source of the slow water leak causing the pump cycling....so as soon as i fix the toilet system i have to replace the HWH....fun times...

cliff
I do not think 30 seconds is too long. The 380DA has the head forward of the kitchen, by the V-Berth (So we have a longer pull to the holding tank than a 340DA) but our vacuum pump runs about 30 seconds after each flush. However, we can be away from the boat for a few days and when we turn the switches back on there is still vacuum, and water pressure and neither pump runs until we turn on a faucet or flush the head. Your vacuum pump run time should decrease a little when you fix the leaky gaskets in the head. If you have moisture and rust under the water heater, I say fix it now. Do not wait until the middle of your vacation. There is a Confucius saying something like "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a leaky toilet valve, and a broken steering gear"(or blown water heater?). Ideally, when done at your home port, we refer to these type of repairs as "yachting", if you have to do them in some exotic location during a vacation that is "cruising". I console myself with how much money I could spend and still not make up the difference in sales tax on a new boat (which would still have issues), and that no matter how much I spend to repair existing systems, I still just pay taxes on the purchase price of a used boat. When I am gorping through the bilge, or repairing the head, I remind myself of this quite often:grin: Over time, having struggled through these repairs, you will gain a much better familiarity with your boat, and become less dependent on Marine "professional's".
 
I do not think 30 seconds is too long. The 380DA has the head forward of the kitchen, by the V-Berth (So we have a longer pull to the holding tank than a 340DA) but our vacuum pump runs about 30 seconds after each flush. However, we can be away from the boat for a few days and when we turn the switches back on there is still vacuum, and water pressure and neither pump runs until we turn on a faucet or flush the head. Your vacuum pump run time should decrease a little when you fix the leaky gaskets in the head. If you have moisture and rust under the water heater, I say fix it now. Do not wait until the middle of your vacation. There is a Confucius saying something like "a journey of a thousand miles begins with a leaky toilet valve, and a broken steering gear"(or blown water heater?). Ideally, when done at your home port, we refer to these type of repairs as "yachting", if you have to do them in some exotic location during a vacation that is "cruising". I console myself with how much money I could spend and still not make up the difference in sales tax on a new boat (which would still have issues), and that no matter how much I spend to repair existing systems, I still just pay taxes on the purchase price of a used boat. When I am gorping through the bilge, or repairing the head, I remind myself of this quite often:grin: Over time, having struggled through these repairs, you will gain a much better familiarity with your boat, and become less dependent on Marine "professional's".

good point about the distance from the vacuum generator to the head affecting the cycle time...once i do the repairs/maintenance maybe this cycle time will come down but maybe not....i really don't care if the cycle time is 30 seconds or not as long as the vacuum and water in the bowl holds between flushes....if we leave the boat and turn off the breakers to the head system and return a day or so later the vacuum has to rebuild when we turn on the breaker and there will not be any water in the bowl....both the fresh water pump and the vacuum generator pump have to run until things are pressurized...hopefully i can get the toilet system and the HWH changed out before warm weather returns....i don't mind the work and expected to find stuff like this on a 14 yr. old boat....i do like the confidence in knowing as much as possible about all the systems on the boat and that is usually best gained by 'rolling up the sleeves' and digging into issues as they arise....

cliff
 
good point about the distance from the vacuum generator to the head affecting the cycle time...once i do the repairs/maintenance maybe this cycle time will come down but maybe not....i really don't care if the cycle time is 30 seconds or not as long as the vacuum and water in the bowl holds between flushes....if we leave the boat and turn off the breakers to the head system and return a day or so later the vacuum has to rebuild when we turn on the breaker and there will not be any water in the bowl....both the fresh water pump and the vacuum generator pump have to run until things are pressurized...hopefully i can get the toilet system and the HWH changed out before warm weather returns....i don't mind the work and expected to find stuff like this on a 14 yr. old boat....i do like the confidence in knowing as much as possible about all the systems on the boat and that is usually best gained by 'rolling up the sleeves' and digging into issues as they arise....

cliff

Cliff,
My vacu flush system runs for about 30-45 seconds after a flush so that's pretty normal. When we return to the boat after a week and turn the system back on, the vacuum pump will cycle for a few seconds. This is after I replaced all my duck bills so I think this is fairly normal operation. Losing the water from the bowl is not so your on the right track.

As for your hwh, I hope you will not need to replace it cause if you do (and your set up is like mine) it will mean removing the vacuflush pump and tank (which sits on top of the hwh.) You will also need to check to be sure you have enough clearance to get the old hwh out and the new one in. I'm not sure about the width of the 6.2's but my 7.4's would have required me to remove the far port side exhaust riser, elbow and tube to have enough room to get the hwh out/in. I know this due to a recent hwh leak I had which had me thinking I was going to have to replace my hwh. Lucky for me, I found my leak was due to a broken hose clamp on the hwh. Anyway, plan carefully so you only have to do the job(s) once.
Good luck.
Sam
 
Cliff,
My vacu flush system runs for about 30-45 seconds after a flush so that's pretty normal. When we return to the boat after a week and turn the system back on, the vacuum pump will cycle for a few seconds. This is after I replaced all my duck bills so I think this is fairly normal operation. Losing the water from the bowl is not so your on the right track.

As for your hwh, I hope you will not need to replace it cause if you do (and your set up is like mine) it will mean removing the vacuflush pump and tank (which sits on top of the hwh.) You will also need to check to be sure you have enough clearance to get the old hwh out and the new one in. I'm not sure about the width of the 6.2's but my 7.4's would have required me to remove the far port side exhaust riser, elbow and tube to have enough room to get the hwh out/in. I know this due to a recent hwh leak I had which had me thinking I was going to have to replace my hwh. Lucky for me, I found my leak was due to a broken hose clamp on the hwh. Anyway, plan carefully so you only have to do the job(s) once.
Good luck.
Sam

thanks Sam...good to know the cycle time of the vacuum pump is normal.....when we return to the boat after a week or so and flip on the head system breaker the vacuum pump will go through a full cycle (maybe a little longer) before shutting down so that tells me i am losing most (if not all) vacuum over time...all of the water in the bowl will be gone also so the bowl seal is leaking....

i sure hope i don't have to remove the holding tank to replace the HWH....i knew i would have to remove the vacuum generator, but i thought i would have enough room to get the old HWH out and a new one in place without too much trouble....i will have to do some measurements this WE to see if i have enough clearance....the 6.2's are physically smaller than the 7.4's so i think i am OK in not having to remove the port side exhaust of the port engine...

cliff

EDIT: just re-read your post Sam...it sounds like your are talking about having to remove the vacuum generator tank, not the holding tank....yes, i will definetly have to remove the entire vacuum generator assembly that sits on top of the HWH....if anyone has done this and has some pointers for removing the vacuum generator please chime in....

thanks...
cliff
 
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I did it. I had to remove the motor from the baffel first so I had the clearance to slide it past the deck lip. Just a couple bolts and 2 wires as I recall. Then Its just disconnecting the hoses and then unscrewing the keepers that are screwed through the wood on top of the hwh. Its easy to do just not pleasant.. I also stuffed rags in the end of the hoses and rubber banded some plastic baggies over them while I cleaned the baffel and baffel tank. If you find you need a new baffel you will also need to buy a new motor. The old ones like mine mount at a slight angle and the new baffels have a shorter shaft that will not reach the old motors mounting screw.
 
Good information! Congratulations:smt038 If you think of it take a couple of pictures.
 
I did it. I had to remove the motor from the baffel first so I had the clearance to slide it past the deck lip. Just a couple bolts and 2 wires as I recall. Then Its just disconnecting the hoses and then unscrewing the keepers that are screwed through the wood on top of the hwh. Its easy to do just not pleasant.. I also stuffed rags in the end of the hoses and rubber banded some plastic baggies over them while I cleaned the baffel and baffel tank. If you find you need a new baffel you will also need to buy a new motor. The old ones like mine mount at a slight angle and the new baffels have a shorter shaft that will not reach the old motors mounting screw.

good info...thanks...
 
Cliff, Tractor Supply has the deck connectors in stock for pump outs. Some marinas need them most don't.

thanks Mike....i did not think to check Tractor Supply....i did buy buy a plastic one off the internet....it has a cover for the 'business end' of the adapter when not in use ...

is there any advantage to using the adapter even when the marina pump out hose does not have a clamp?....would the pump out hose make a better connection with the rubber adapter vs. the stainless steel fitting on the boat?

cliff
 
well dang...just got a shipping notice from UPS that my vacuflush parts won't get to me until next Monday....they are having to come all the way across the US from Washington state to South Carolina.....i probably should have used a vendor that was closer to me....live and learn...i had planned on doing the repairs this WE....oh well...i guess we can use the facilities at the marina and still be able to spend the WE on the boat....i have a port-a-pot that came off of my 215EC that i am thinking about taking with us for the Admiral to use....i knew it may come in handy for 'emergency situations'....that is why i kept it....

cliff
 

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