Unions are good?

:smt024There are good and bad Unions just like there good and bad employees both Union and Non Union. I think a hard line is bad either way but everyone needs to make concessions when times are bad like now and share the $ good times. I think most CEO's that are on this site own their own businesses and in a small to mid size shop where they couldn't afford to be union and pay the Benefits where the large corporations can.Some might be able to pay a decent wage or some will be a start up company and can barely pay minimum and some will go out of business if they have to provide Obama Care. The Idea that doesn’t seem to get across to many non Business owners is the amount of time and hard work it takes to build one and that they are there to make money, the business needs to be profitable to pay employees, the Company wasn’t started to make the employees rich.

I am both Union and own a small Snow Plow business and get to pay the higher taxes on it due to the self employment tax but also get to use the Business deductions to help pay for the equipment. I guess I should of went to school instead of screwing off when I was younger but to late for that now Ill be 62 next month but I will still put 38 to 40 hrs straight on a weekend snow fall and have done up to 48hrs to help make life for my family easier.:smt001
 
twomad said:
lets remember something here, unions are the ones who brought you something called the weekend, you know sat,sunday when you can spend time on your boat i bet 1/2 the union bashers on this forum are company owners and they want to fill there pockets like the rest of corporate america, the unions help the american worker in so many different ways. I can't believe there is so much hate towards the unions coming from hard working boat owners, unless you are not a hard working american but rather a greedy business owner that dislikes unions because they keep you in check and share your wealth, by the way if 1/2 the people who drive foreign cars, trucks the trouble that happened with the american auto industry would not have happened and your pockets would not have hurt so much. I wonder what us boaters would have done if foreign boat makers invaded us like the foreign auto makers did. BE a AMERICAN SUPPORTER and BUY AMERICAN and leave the union bashing out of the boating world, my 2 cents
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1. I am a business owner and I work every day for the money I bring in
2. I am offended by your characterization of business owners as greedy-you obviously have some sort of deep resentment and hatred to those of us who have taken the risk to found a company and create new jobs
3. The "union" didn't give me a weekend or anything else
4. I am pretty sure I don't need your union or anyone else's union to keep me "in check"
5. I am definitely sure I won't be sharing my wealth with you

So, best of luck in your union endeavors. I certainly won't be doing business with anyone in a union shop. Why, you ask? Mainly because I own the place and I make the rules. And because of crappy attitudes like yours about people like me who are actually contributing to the economy.
 
mistercomputerman said:
1. I am a business owner and I work every day for the money I bring in
2. I am offended by your characterization of business owners as greedy-you obviously have some sort of deep resentment and hatred to those of us who have taken the risk to found a company and create new jobs
3. The "union" didn't give me a weekend or anything else
4. I am pretty sure I don't need your union or anyone else's union to keep me "in check"
5. I am definitely sure I won't be sharing my wealth with you

So, best of luck in your union endeavors. I certainly won't be doing business with anyone in a union shop. Why, you ask? Mainly because I own the place and I make the rules. And because of crappy attitudes like yours about people like me who are actually contributing to the economy.
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Right on Rick!!! I am with you 100% :thumbsup:::thumbsup:
 
electricaldoctor said:
Right on Rick!!! I am with you 100% :thumbsup:::thumbsup:
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At the end of the day it all comes down to what an old Teamster told me..."All this Union crap boils down to is who takes the dump and who flushes the john"
 
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Twomad...what is the definition of a "greedy business owner"? I am genuinely interested. I have heard the term before, but the more I think about it, the less I am sure what it means.

Is there such a thing as a "greedy employee"? Is the "greed" the bad part? If so, "greed" is simply wanting...its a state of mind...sort of like "lust". "Theft" is taking...sort of like "rape". Big difference between "greed" and "theft"...or "lust" and "rape".

I don't know where you are coming from, so I am reluctant to criticize, however, the intellectual capital to create the income stream we call "jobs" is valuable. That process simply doesn't happen by itself (if it did, there would be no need for management). In America, no one HAS to work for anyone. When a business owner keeps all or part of the money from a business, he is reimbursing his intellectual capital, as well as his personal labor. If you think you can do better, you are free to start a competitive enterprise. Is that an option for you? (warning...it might eat into your weekends).

Happy boating.
 
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I'll tell you who a greedy CEO is. He didn't build the business. He may not understand the business or any business at all. He was born to a wealthy family. He bought a degree at a huge business school like Harvard. He moved up quickly due to his family name. He, like politicians, agreed to relinquish his power to others in exchange for a position at the top. He sits on the board of his board members' companies.

He doesn't inspire teamwork in his employees. He doesn't lead by example. He doesn't join in the pain when pain is being felt. He ensures his own success, and that of his board members. He guarantees his own retirement while those of his employees are stripped. He only works for the corporation until the next, bigger bid comes along. He pays retension bonuses to executives and then lets them leave as he, himself leaves.

His next job isn't based on the performance of his current corporation, but on the successes of his executives and the willingness to vote anything to the CEO's upon whose boards he sits.

I'll tell you who is not a greedy CEO. He built his business. He works weekends. He knows his employees. He feels pain when they feel pain. He serves the Thanksgiving turkey until everyone else has eaten, not just until the cameras have gone. He's the first to take a pay cut and the first to pass the credit to others. He is less interested in his own wealth than the success of the business he built from the ground up.

The greedy employee watches the clock, does as little as possible to get by, abuses sick leave, doesn't care about the company or his fellow employees, and is more interested in what he can get out of the company than whether or not he performed a job well done. He is not Japanese. He counts on the union or other protections to ensure he has a job even when he fails or refuses to produce.

The non-greedy employee is a rare bird. He may be an altruist. We'll leave that to another discussion. The reasonable employee works hard. He cares about the job he has accomplished. He takes pride in his job and his company. He expects to be treated fairly and be compensated appropriately for his sacrifice. It sickens the reasonable employee to see greedy CEOs devastate a company and its work force to no detriment of their own. He may seek union assistance when all other attempts at rational treatment fail. He is the average middle class American. His father was probably not union. He had to work hard to get the job he has. He expects nothing to be given to him that he did not deserve. He is a dying breed.

The key point to me is that business owners who built their own businesses from the gound up are, in no way, like the CEOs who are hired into position based on family and friends. I think most, if not all, business owners on this forum are the former. The latter would not find any reward in conversing with regular citizens in a public forum. They believe they are above this.
 
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Thank you hampton. That is what i was trying to say but the union bashers got me pissed off and i didn' t say it properly. I don't have any thing agains't people who work hard to start there own business. But why do people have to bash a hard working union man. I had people say that we make 80$ an hour and sit on are ass all day. How about the people who supply electricity,nat.gas,water,the internet,telephones, to your homes, union workers.The people in fire departments,police,hospitals,school teachers. The people who maintain are roads,bridges.The people who will fly you and family on vacation. So i think maybe i should write a book titled Why I HATE UNION BASHERS. I bet i probally could sell a lot on this forum. But i won't try because some a##hole said i was illiterate. I don't understand how you could bash a school teacher they spend more time with your children than you do. I think you should thank them for the job they are doing,money,or the fact they belong to a union shouldn't matter when it comes to your childrens education. PS the person who runs this website sent me an email saying he couldn't do anything about the bad language and bashing so have at it you angry boaters rip me a new a##hole again.
 
What would you say if unions could only bid on union jobs?
 
twomad said:
I don't understand how you could bash a school teacher they spend more time with your children than you do. I think you should thank them for the job they are doing,money,or the fact they belong to a union shouldn't matter when it comes to your childrens education.
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Just so you know Mr. Ass Clown... my wife is a high school teacher...

She spent the entire WEEKEND grading papers... and doesn't belong to a union.

twomad said:
So i think maybe i should write a book titled Why I HATE UNION BASHERS. I bet i probally could sell a lot on this forum. But i won't try because some a##hole said i was illiterate.
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You are. You need to go back to school and pay attention this time around.
 
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twomad said:
PS the person who runs this website sent me an email saying he couldn't do anything about the bad language and bashing so have at it you angry boaters rip me a new a##hole again.
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Ummm, I did? First of all, if I sent you an email it is between you and me so why are you posting info I said in that private correspondence? 2nd, I said no such thing, not even close, didn't even address bad language and bashing. I told you its a good practice not to talk religion and politics in mixed company, and that unions fall under politics in my opinion. Sound familiar?
 
My parents are both retired NYC union teachers who ultimately became administrators (ie: greedy CEOs). I sent my mother the link to this thread well before John posted his eloquent reply. Here was her response...

"So what else is new???
I could make your hair stand on end with the teachers' union and how they destroyed the system that worked for us."
 
rondds said:
My parents are both retired NYC union teachers who ultimately became administrators (ie: greedy CEOs). I sent my mother the link to this thread well before John posted his eloquent reply. Here was her response...

"So what else is new???
I could make your hair stand on end with the teachers' union and how they destroyed the system that worked for us."
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I thought about that topic before I finished my post, but failed to comment on it. First of all, I'm not sure how to take your post. Anyway, rising to the top from within, IMO, is admirable. It is not like buying your way into power.

EDIT: Semi-sarcastic, yet teasing "So there" removed for attempt at increased maturity level from myself.
 
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John

PM'd ya
 
Did not. But seriosly - didn't get a PM yet (timing?).

EDIT - yep, bad timing. Got it, and thanks for the good words.
 
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CSR_Admin said:
Ummm, I did? First of all, if I sent you an email it is between you and me so why are you posting info I said in that private correspondence? 2nd, I said no such thing, not even close, didn't even address bad language and bashing. I told you its a good practice not to talk religion and politics in mixed company, and that unions fall under politics in my opinion. Sound familiar?
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Whoa "twomad", looks like your true colors are starting to show through. This is one bridge that you really did not want to burn!! :smt009 Don't go away twomad, just ...
 
Typical… Let’s file a grievance.
 
This is my private PM to "Twomad"

Twomad

Just so you know, your posts are in the holding tank.

Your statement:
"I can't believe the language and various names that i have been called on this post by various people INCLUDING BY THE TOP POSTER ON THIS FORUM that person doesn't belong on a boating forum, and now that i think of it he started this post to pick a fight with a union worker like me, there are some angry non-union people on this site and i wish that i didn't come across that post, this forum has been a very big help with my classic sea ray and i enjoy 99% of my time here tonite was not fun, any help with this situation would be great thank you"

Does not hold enough water to float your boat. You did not have to enter the conversation, you choose to and got bashed for it. Just what did you think was going to happen?

This is a free board with areas to talk about boating and areas to talk trash. The holding tank is that place. If you go in there again either toughen up and take your lumps like everyone else or stay out of it.

Thank you

Stihlbolts

Twomad - as far as I am concerend you can take a hike. :smt021

PS: I am a greedy Executive Vice President of my wife's small business. :grin: Kiss my grits! :thumbsup:
 
STIHLBOLTS said:
This is my private PM to "Twomad"

Twomad

Just so you know, your posts are in the holding tank.

Your statement:
"I can't believe the language and various names that i have been called on this post by various people INCLUDING BY THE TOP POSTER ON THIS FORUM that person doesn't belong on a boating forum, and now that i think of it he started this post to pick a fight with a union worker like me, there are some angry non-union people on this site and i wish that i didn't come across that post, this forum has been a very big help with my classic sea ray and i enjoy 99% of my time here tonite was not fun, any help with this situation would be great thank you"

Does not hold enough water to float your boat. You did not have to enter the conversation, you choose to and got bashed for it. Just what did you think was going to happen?

This is a free board with areas to talk about boating and areas to talk trash. The holding tank is that place. If you go in there again either toughen up and take your lumps like everyone else or stay out of it.

Thank you

Stihlbolts

Twomad - as far as I am concerend you can take a hike. :smt021

PS: I am a greedy Executive Vice President of my wife's small business. :grin: Kiss my grits! :thumbsup:
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