Topcoat

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by HUMPH, Mar 21, 2017.

  1. Scott3262

    Scott3262 Member

    56
    Jun 21, 2016
    Myrtle Beach, S. C.
    2003 Sea Ray 260 Sundancer
    350 Mercrusier w/ Bravo III out drive
    Just purchased a bottle. So I will try and report back with pictures after I receive it and can apply to the boat. Talking about F11 Top Coat by Ducora.


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  2. Buttercup

    Buttercup New Member

    5
    Jul 11, 2013
    Moneta, Virginia
    2008 Sea Ray 210 signature Fission
    350 Mag, Bravo III, DTS
    Anyone ready to report their results?
     
  3. Bridog

    Bridog Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Oct 4, 2006
    Gulf Shores AL / Brick NJ
    2016 19SPX OB
    Mercury 150 4S OB
    From the lack of enthusiasm I'd say the results weren't as good as the product hype.
     
  4. SCORPIO

    SCORPIO Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Apr 7, 2008
    Delaware
    1989 300 DA
    Twin 5.7 Merc Alpha I
    Looks like commercial grade acrylic floor wax. I use the ZEP brand that Lowe's sells for about 29 bucks a gallon. Lasts a full season on decks and lasts many seasons on hull sides. Strips easily with their stripper a hose and a scrub pad.
     
  5. CliffA

    CliffA Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Dec 29, 2009
    Lake Norman, NC
    2001 Sea Ray 340DA
    Name: 'Happy Place'
    4.5kW West. Generator
    Purchased Nov. 2014
    Fresh Water Use
    Twin Merc. 6.2L (MPI)
    Raw Water Cooled
    V-Drive Transmissions
    not in my case....I just have not tried it yet....i'll probably wait until I wax the boat in the fall....

    cliff
     
  6. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    My problem is that I had already polished my boat by the time I received it. I am going to try it on the non-skid as well as my car and will see if it works as advertised.
     
  7. Cincy Aquaholic

    Cincy Aquaholic Active Member

    Mar 15, 2009
    Cincinnati
    290 SS - 2016 Ford F250 Powerstroke
    Twin 5.7 with Bravo 1's
    I read 5 pages of this thread and still no results posted!?!?! I feel like I just watched a whole season of the The Walking Dead. Seriously . . . I'm of the mindset that this is snake oil. It may temporarily conceal the defects but definitely not correct them but I hope I can be wrong. Anxiously waiting for a real world report because I could see using something like this around deck fittings and hard to reach areas with a polisher.
     
  8. sandydlc

    sandydlc Active Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    565
    Feb 24, 2016
    Seattle, WA
    450 Sundancer 2010
    Cummins 480 HP w/Zeus pod drives
    I used it on a section of our hard top where it was starting to get chalky. It definitely brought back some shine but it took a few coats and lots of energy to get that area to shine. We just had our boat waxed a couple of weeks ago and it looks great. I'll monitor the section I did with the Top Coat to see if there is a difference. Overall my impressions are that it's not a miracle but probably a decent product.
     
  9. douglee25

    douglee25 Well-Known Member

    Jan 13, 2008
    NJ
    Boatless
    Big ones!
    This reminds me of that miracle bottom paint that the guy with the 400EC tried? What was the name of that stuff again?
     
  10. NorCal Boater

    NorCal Boater Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2008
    Covington, LA
    Cobalt CM23
    GM SB 383" Stroker" Alpha Gen I
    I just got my order yesterday and tried it on a section for the Cobalt that is not under the cover. I was pretty impressed but....this part of the boat is painted and then clear coated, it's not gelcoat. Tomorrow, or I guess later today, I'm going to try it on the tan gelcoat that needs a good buff and see what it looks like. I will report my findings. And IF I can ever figure out how to get photos posted I'll try and include some.

    Shawn
     
  11. Scott3262

    Scott3262 Member

    56
    Jun 21, 2016
    Myrtle Beach, S. C.
    2003 Sea Ray 260 Sundancer
    350 Mercrusier w/ Bravo III out drive
    Follow up was that it works, but may be better as a top coat after a good buff and wax. Use in the Porsche and it looked great.
     
  12. NorCal Boater

    NorCal Boater Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2008
    Covington, LA
    Cobalt CM23
    GM SB 383" Stroker" Alpha Gen I
    So yesterday I tried the TopCoat on a section of my Cobalt that is beige fiberglass. The beige is on the upper portion of the boat, deck, gunnels, etc. This section needs something to bring back the gloss and shine. First I tried the TopCoat and it made the glass feel smooth and polished but did nothing to bring back the shine and I promise that no amount of TopCoat is going to do that. Next I tried a small section with Shurhold Buff Magic. This product has been a "go to" product for me on light oxidation. It did improve the shine a bit but as expected, did not get it back to a high gloss. Next I tried Presta SupraCut. This gave me the best result. The gloss was coming back. I performed all of this scientific testing by hand with no power buffer.

    I feel that in my case the Presta product will work best for me when used with the buffer then following up with Shurhold Pro Polish. I do feel the TopCoat will produce a shine similar to Pro Polish but it will be easier to apply....but how long will it last? Since the Cobalt is a project boat I may use Pro Polish on part and TopCoat in another area to compare how long it lasts. If I could ever figure out how to post a picture I would be more than happy to post before and after shots.
     
  13. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    Okay, I finally started my annual polish and decided to use the F11 product. I first did a light Presta Gelcoat compound and followed with the F11 Topcoat, hand applied. Looks pretty amazing!
     

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  14. SloBurn

    SloBurn Member

    768
    May 30, 2013
    Greenwood Lake, NY
    1994 270 Sundancer. 7.4L Merc. Tow with a 2006 Dodge RAM Hemi
    340 HP Merc 454 c.i.
    I have not used this product, but the people I know who have used it, claim it works great on their cars. But at $60 a bottle, I don't feel it's worth it. There are other brand names out there with similar products, but pricing is ALSO similar.
     
  15. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    I’m not a professional detailer, but detailing has been a hobby of mine for decades.
    I’ve tried more products over the years than I can remember.
    This product appears to be a synthetic sealant much like Rejex and similar products.
    These Sealants are great products, but like with all products, the key is in the surface prep.
    Synthetic Sealants tend to last longer on a surface than natural products like Carnauba.
    Ken did the right thing by prepping the surface of his boat with a compound which removed all old wax, dirt and contaminates from the surface. He followed it with a hand application of this product (I always like to apply my last step products by hand) which protects the surface he prepared with the Presta. Like all Protectants (sealants & waxes) , it fills in microscopic imperfections in the surface which makes it reflect light better and provides even more of a shine.
    The website cautions the user against applying wax over it. That’s most likely because most products labeled as “wax” are actually a “cleaner wax” which contains some sort of a solvent that “cleans” the surface as you apply it. Those solvents will remove/erode this F11 product, or any other sealant or true wax product for that matter.
    I’ve never used this particular product, but I have used Rejex in the past with good results and topped it with a true “wax” with no cleaners in it.
    Sealants are great and reflect light for a great shine, but I prefer the warmer deeper shine that a natural Carnauba provides.
    It’s a personal choice.
    The analogy I use to explain the difference is a piece of fine furniture. The sealant is like putting a piece of glass on top of it which looks great and reflects light. The Carnauba wax is like opting to hand wax the furniture to a high shine with an appropriate wax.
    The furniture will shine either way, but the shine will be warmer and deeper with the wax.
    For use on the boat I have found that Collinite #845 Liquid Insulator Wax when applied to a properly prepared surface is a nice compromise. It provides the warm deep shine of a Carnauba with the longevity of a Synthetic Sealant and it can be layered because it doesn’t contain any “cleaners”.
    If during the season or in between polishing you find you need to “clean” a section (black streaks are a good example) of the surface you can use something like Collinite 870 “Cleaner Wax” or on tougher stains you can use Collinite 920 “Cleaner” and then reapply Collinite 845.
     
  16. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    Agreed, I am not a fan of cleaner wax products. A pure wax over a good sealer/polish has always served me well. As far as cost, my time is worth $$$ so saving a day or so using an easily applied product is worth a few shekels to me!
     
  17. bigblockcutlass

    bigblockcutlass Member

    810
    May 9, 2010
    Michigan
    1998 Carver 370 Voyager
    1990 270 sea ray sundancer twin 4.3L
    1987 Power Play 230 Conquest
    1987 Fo
    454
    after a year of this stuff being out we still have no results on how long this stuff last?
     
  18. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    My time used to be worth $$$ until I retired last year, now it’s my aching back that’s worth something........
     
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  19. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    Update. I completed the boat and was so impressed that I purchased a gallon. I added a coat to the high gloss areas for now but will do the rest when time permits. I also did both cars and they look fantastic!
     
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  20. Jaybeaux

    Jaybeaux Active Member SILVER Sponsor

    287
    Jan 3, 2016
    Upper Potomac River
    420 Sundancer 2004
    Naught On Call
    Cummins 6CTA-8.3's with V-Drives
    9KW Onan Genset
    Ok, to add another product to the mix: Hydrosilex https://www.hydrosilex.com/

    It is a ceramic coating.

    I haven't tried it. A buddy is going to apply some this weekend. I'll let you know.

    Jaybeaux
     

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