Thoughts on a Center Console for Cape Coral and Gulf

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  1. dpvandy01

    dpvandy01 Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Sep 6, 2007
    Cincinnati, Ohio/Ohio River
    2003 320 Sundancer
    &
    2012 185 Sport
    &
    2014 Sea Fox 256 Commander
    Twin 6.2L Close Cooled V-Drives & 3.0L Alpha 1, 300 Yamaha OB
    My wife and I recently purchased a condo in Cape Coral with a deeded boat slip and a 10k pound lift at the intersection of the Phoenix and Plato canals. I am shopping for a center console boat to keep down there. I have narrowed my search to a few boats and would like some input on these if you would be so kind. The price on the three I am looking at are nearly the same. First is a 2007 Pro-line 20 Sport with a BRAND NEW 135 Honda 4 stroke. Second is a 2005 Sea Fox 23 with a 200 Mercury Saltwater Series. Third is a 2005 Sea Fox 23 with a 225 Suzucki. And last is a 2008 Pro-Line 20 Sport with a 135 Honda. Both of the Sea Foxes have trim tabs which I like on my 320 Sundancer but not sure if they are a big deal on a 23'er. What are your thoughts. Is 3 feet bigger worth 2 years older? What about the 135 vs 200 vs 225? I know there is no replacement for displacement.And Mercury vs Honda vs Yamaha? Is one more readily serviceable in the area? One more major difference between the brands is the Pro-Lines have hard tops while the Sea Fox have canvas. Ok so there is a bit of info to get this thread rolling. Thanks in advance. By the way, I am new to Florida boating and center consoles and outboards!! Thanks one and all

    Lt Dan
     
  2. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    We have had bigger boats for about 20 years now. As a result, we haven't seen a lot of the bays, lagoons, rivers, etc since we moved up to the 390EC. We decided to buy a project boat and keep it in the barn at the marina for pretty days when we wanted to re-discover the area. My first one was an 18' Pro-line Center Console with a 115 Merc 2 stroke. What a horrible ride! After 2 trips, we ran an ad to sell the Pro-line and started shopping for something else. I ended up with a Whaler Dauntless which was heavier and much more seaworthy. My point here is that you are looking at mid to low level boats, quality wise. Granted, there isn't a lot to go wrong on a CC, but the more mass you can put under you, the easier the ride will be. Florida has a lot of big open water, and even though it may be protected, a 10-15 kt wind will cause a chop that makes a light weight boat beat you to death. Putting around canals is one thing; getting caught 15 miles down a bay from home is another.

    Consider how you will use the CC and look for a premium brand like Whaler, Grady, Scout, etc. that has a decent internal structure to dissipate the effects of a chop.

    As far as outboards are concerned, the whole Yamaha/Mercury thing gets kind of gray for me since they swap technology and even make each other's motors in some categories. We have 6 factory certified master outboard mechanics at our marina and they all say either Merc or Yamaha. Larger Hondas have had some severe corrosion problems and Honda is very difficult to deal with on warranty issues. Because you plan to lift store the boat and flush it after every use is good, but doesn't affect the above comment.......we are on the Gulf Coast so everyone dry stacks outboards and everyone flushes after every use.
     
  3. Creekwood

    Creekwood Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 26, 2009
    Oakville and Georgian Bay, Ontario
    '97 330 Sundancer
    2X 454 w/ vDrives
    You may want to post on the Hull Truth site. Lots more CC and bay and flats boats types on that site. Just don't give your Sea Ray pedigree on that site lest they acuse you of being high-born. (G of T reference).
     
  4. almostenuff

    almostenuff Member

    477
    Sep 18, 2010
    Cape Coral, FL
    2005 Sea Ray 390 Sundancer
    2002 SeaSwirl 2301 WA
    T-380 Cummins
    F225 Yamaha
    I have a slightly older 2002 23' Seaswirl WA with a 225 Yamaha. That is the engine of choice in the Cape with MercurySuzuki tied for number two. I prefer a hardtop, but I'd lean towards length and horsepower. I love trim tabs for the chop. Find a 23' hardtop with a saltwater 200+ motor and buy it.


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    Last edited: Jan 25, 2016
  5. dpvandy01

    dpvandy01 Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Sep 6, 2007
    Cincinnati, Ohio/Ohio River
    2003 320 Sundancer
    &
    2012 185 Sport
    &
    2014 Sea Fox 256 Commander
    Twin 6.2L Close Cooled V-Drives & 3.0L Alpha 1, 300 Yamaha OB
    I did post over there,, I have 9 year history with this group and you all are my first reaction for boats, generators, pig hoists, online virtual world sailing and getting a pig on a boat. SO CSR WILL always be my first resource b
     
  6. Woody

    Woody Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2007
    N. Wisconsin/Lk Superior
    2005 420DA
    Cummins 6CTA8.3
    3 boats :thumbsup:
     
  7. Bucit

    Bucit New Member

    Mar 12, 2010
    St. Petersburg Florida
    2005 280 Sundancer
    2004 SPD-104 Achilles w/ 8hp Yamaha
    Twin 4.3 MPI's with Alpha drives.
    You'll like the extra 3 feet!
     
  8. dpvandy01

    dpvandy01 Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Sep 6, 2007
    Cincinnati, Ohio/Ohio River
    2003 320 Sundancer
    &
    2012 185 Sport
    &
    2014 Sea Fox 256 Commander
    Twin 6.2L Close Cooled V-Drives & 3.0L Alpha 1, 300 Yamaha OB
    Well we went with the budget minded 2007 Pro-line 20. Been back to the condo twice since the purchase and have put neatly 200 miles on the GPS. We love this little boat.
     
  9. dpvandy01

    dpvandy01 Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Sep 6, 2007
    Cincinnati, Ohio/Ohio River
    2003 320 Sundancer
    &
    2012 185 Sport
    &
    2014 Sea Fox 256 Commander
    Twin 6.2L Close Cooled V-Drives & 3.0L Alpha 1, 300 Yamaha OB
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  10. Quint4

    Quint4 Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    S.W. Ohio
    330 Sport Bridge
    5.7 MPI 350 Merc Bluewaters
    Awesome. We love Cape Coral and that entire area.
     
  11. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Aug 10, 2011
    cape cod mass
    1999 Powerquest legend 260 sx
    502 mpi Bravo 1
    How's that water quality treating you ? You crap in the toilet , flush it off, they treat it and send it right back at you.... nice... and then they tell you your property taxes have increased. Bend over again... oouch. Will probably sell and move on. Was a decent place 20 years ago

    Todays news... Fort Myers has been dumping treated waste water into the Caloosahatchi for who knows how long, and is now making a deal with Cape Coral to sell their waste water to them, so that when the valve gets turned on , you get this recycled product. Sounds yummy right ??
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2016
  12. Quint4

    Quint4 Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    S.W. Ohio
    330 Sport Bridge
    5.7 MPI 350 Merc Bluewaters
    Feel the positive vibes........
     
  13. badtothebones

    badtothebones Member

    123
    Oct 22, 2015
    Florida
    2015 260 Sundancer
    ECT 350 MAG MPI BR3
  14. Air O'Nautical

    Air O'Nautical Active Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Stamford CT "Ponus Yacht Club"
    1995 400EC. Raymarine E80,4kw dome, Garmin 235 gps,
    2013 7.4L Mercruiser Blue water.
    Hurth straight shaft 630's,
    Westerbeke 7.0 BCG

    Maybe I'm missing the point here...
    Where does that not happen?
    All waste treatment plants eject the treated water back to the environment.
    Are they not treating the waste??
     
  15. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Aug 10, 2011
    cape cod mass
    1999 Powerquest legend 260 sx
    502 mpi Bravo 1
    Back to the environment is one thing, piping it directly to your house is another. Their warning is don't drink it or you'll get sick.
     
  16. Air O'Nautical

    Air O'Nautical Active Member

    Feb 5, 2008
    Stamford CT "Ponus Yacht Club"
    1995 400EC. Raymarine E80,4kw dome, Garmin 235 gps,
    2013 7.4L Mercruiser Blue water.
    Hurth straight shaft 630's,
    Westerbeke 7.0 BCG
    Oh...

    Locally for me, I know where the discharge pipes are and it's surprising (or not) when it's just off shore of the beaches.
    Don't ask what happens after a heavy rain where the system is overwhelmed.....flood gates open untreated product released into Long Island Sound...beaches closed without much talk..

    Back on topic...Love that CC...I expect I'll have to get one when I move to South Florida :)
     
  17. dpvandy01

    dpvandy01 Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Sep 6, 2007
    Cincinnati, Ohio/Ohio River
    2003 320 Sundancer
    &
    2012 185 Sport
    &
    2014 Sea Fox 256 Commander
    Twin 6.2L Close Cooled V-Drives & 3.0L Alpha 1, 300 Yamaha OB
    Enjoy your new place. I'm sure South West Florida will miss you. We love Cape Coral
     
  18. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Aug 10, 2011
    cape cod mass
    1999 Powerquest legend 260 sx
    502 mpi Bravo 1
    drive by there every day around 2 to 5. 20 cc with a white bull terrier that rides on the bow. Feel free to flip me off next time you see me.
     
  19. dpvandy01

    dpvandy01 Active Member GOLD Sponsor

    Sep 6, 2007
    Cincinnati, Ohio/Ohio River
    2003 320 Sundancer
    &
    2012 185 Sport
    &
    2014 Sea Fox 256 Commander
    Twin 6.2L Close Cooled V-Drives & 3.0L Alpha 1, 300 Yamaha OB
    Nah,,, I'd rather just chase you down, grab your rail and tie off for a beer or two!
     
  20. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Aug 10, 2011
    cape cod mass
    1999 Powerquest legend 260 sx
    502 mpi Bravo 1
    OK, we can do that. Have you seen me ? How's this storm treatin you right now?
     
    Last edited: Mar 29, 2016

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