Thinking of selling my 2002 410 Sundancer

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by JVM225, Jan 6, 2021.

  1. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    The thought of selling my boat and getting something else has recently crossed my mind.
    I really love the 410, but I’d like to get something with less canvas to deal with, and have even started to consider something like a Back Cove or similar style boat as a change.
    I’m torn because I’m not really looking to make a significant size change one way or the other, my 410 is pretty much dialed in, I was lucky enough to find a good boat when I bought this one, and I’m not sure I’m ready to start the whole shopping process over again.
    Some find the shopping process enjoyable, but I’m not that crazy about it, especially after chasing around the Northeast and endless phone calls to other parts of the country only to be disappointed.
    On the other hand, the thought of not dealing with the canvas every time I arrive and leave my dock, and having one less level to deal with when going in and out of the cabin is starting to appeal to me at nearly 67 years old.
    Thoughts?
     
  2. sbw1

    sbw1 Well-Known Member

    Oct 10, 2006
    West Michigan
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    One of the must haves for our boat change was also less canvas. Also wanted to get out of the sun after many years of boating. As we get older, convenience becomes more important. We wanted a hardtop, A/C at helm, wide walk arounds on the sides, easy plug ins for shore power, a queen sized bed, comfortable cockpit seating and salon seating in a hull that was up to the challenges that Lake Michigan offers up. The 32 open checked those boxes and many more making it a great choice for extended living aboard in the North Channel.
     
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  3. Ididntdoit

    Ididntdoit Well-Known Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    South Florida
    Dusky 217
    Suzuki
  4. Strecker25

    Strecker25 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2014
    Rochester, NY
    2002 410DA
    Caterpillar 350HP 3126
    haha I was going to say the same thing

    @JVM225 my two cents is just to think about the work needed to bring whatever you get up to your standards. When I bought our 410 last year it passed everything with flying colors, great condition, etc, but I still found heaps of stuff I want to change/clean/update/fix/polish after just a few months of use. I enjoy it, but it is a lot. I think back to my old boat and how it took me about 2 years to get it to a point where I considered it 'done' (we all know boat projects never really end) but it sounds like a hardtop/enclosure would be enough of a reason for you to move on to something different
     
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  5. dtfeld

    dtfeld Water Contrails GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 5, 2016
    Milton, GA
    410 Sundancer
    2001
    12" Axiom and 9" Axiom+ MFD
    Cat 3126 V-Drives
    What in particular is the issue with your canvas? I leave mine up year round and I can roll up windows or entire panels as necessary. It takes a little time, but I'm not lifting large panels of canvas. Just curious if a redesigned canvas package would alleviate that particular issue. Even if expensive and it got you a couple years, might be worth considering. You can also add AC/Heat to the 410's cockpit. I wouldn't call it ideal but it works.

    As far as levels, there is always going to be some up and down just getting in/on any boat, but to get rid of stairs, you'll definitely have to get away from Sea Rays. Unfortunately about everything that tickles my fancy has stairs...

    Of course no matter what boat you end up with, there are ALWAYS tradeoffs.
     
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  6. carterchapman

    carterchapman Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor SILVER Sponsor

    Mar 25, 2008
    Lake Chickamauga/Marietta, GA/Ft. Myers, FL
    2006 Sea Ray 58 DB
    MAN CRM V8-900s, Twin Disc Drives; Onan 21.5 Generator
    JVM - I'm with @dtfeld on adding extended canvas and designing isinglass that is easily rolled up in place. @nealtrombley has cockpit air in his 410. I will gladly send you pics of my 410's canvas...
     
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  7. RollerCoastr

    RollerCoastr Well-Known Member

    Nov 15, 2007
    Cedar Point, OH / Miami, FL / MacRay Harbor, MI
    1997 400DA
    340HP 7.4 Mercruiser Bluewaters
    Garmin 741, 742, 8212, 24HD, Intellian I2
    1999 280BR
    Twin 250HP Merc 350 Alpha Ones
    My neighbor did that with his 410. He added a drop curtain that went to the floor directly behind the aft-facing bench. The aft bench was fitted with a matching cover, and he added an AC/heat unit under the fwd bench. It achieved his low-maintenance goal, but on a sunny 90º day, it would be a dry 89º even after running an hour under the navy-blue canvas top. It worked pretty well on cloudy or less extreme days. I wish I remembered the size of the unit.
     
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  8. Henry Boyd

    Henry Boyd Well-Known Member

    Apr 24, 2007
    Newburyport, on the peaceful and serene Merrimack
    ‘09 Sabre 38 Hardtop Express “Serenity”
    Volvo D6 w/IPS450 Pods
    I know this is heresy, the Sabre Salon Express 45, 48, or 54 don't have any canvas (unless you want a Bimini). After two years with our Sabre 38 I can say not having half a dozen bits to take off and re-install every time we use the boat is one of those hidden benefits.

    Photo from Sabre website of the 2021 45 Salon Express:
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  9. SeaNile

    SeaNile Well-Known Member

    Aug 16, 2010
    Chadds Ford, PA
    2003 50 Sundancer
    2007 20 SunDeck
    Cummins QSM11
    Yep, I'll take it. Only half kidding. In the market for a 99-02 400/410. Send me the details please.
     
  10. sbw1

    sbw1 Well-Known Member

    Oct 10, 2006
    West Michigan
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    I think there is an inverse relationship between a captain's age and his desire to work with canvas. (;-)
     
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  11. Ididntdoit

    Ididntdoit Well-Known Member

    Dec 5, 2007
    South Florida
    Dusky 217
    Suzuki
    No, at any age canvas sucks
     
  12. SearayPaul

    SearayPaul Active Member

    935
    Oct 11, 2006
    Simpsonville, South Carolina
    34 Downeaster
    Cummins 5.9 480hp
    Loved our Back Cove! Brad will be by shortly!
     
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  13. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    That’s definitely on my mind. This one is dialed in and the next one would have to measure up to it with regards to condition. It was really hard to find a nice clean boat back in 2016 when we were searching for this one and I’m not looking forward to going through that again.
    On the other hand, this might be the time to take on a different boat before too many more years pass and I won’t be able to put the physical work in that I want.
     
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  14. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Taking the drop curtain over the cockpit up and down every time I come and go to the boat with the cockpit table in place is a PIA, but the bigger pain is removing the Eisenglass panels on hot and humid days when the green flys are driving us nuts.
    Also, for the way we boat, the idea of having the cockpit and salon on the same level with a wide opening between the two is appealing. That’s why the Back Cove’s and similar style boats are starting to appeal to me.
    Especially since my sciatica had been really brutal these last few months.
    Not sure I want to start over with a different boat though.
    Tough choices!
     
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  15. Stee6043

    Stee6043 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 1, 2015
    West Michigan
    1997 Sundancer 400
    7.4L Gassers
    I deeply despise canvas. And how much it costs to replace :)

    Hopefully you'd be able to sell your boat at a significant premium based on the condition and the market. 'cause yer not going to find any raging deals when you try to replace it!
     
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  16. Strecker25

    Strecker25 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Nov 20, 2014
    Rochester, NY
    2002 410DA
    Caterpillar 350HP 3126
    Based on my experience trying to find a good diesel 410 in the northeast just this past summer/fall I’d say this boat will go in a heartbeat and for a very nice number
     
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  17. SeaNile

    SeaNile Well-Known Member

    Aug 16, 2010
    Chadds Ford, PA
    2003 50 Sundancer
    2007 20 SunDeck
    Cummins QSM11
    PM Sent
     
  18. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
    Setauket, NY
    Back Cove 37
    AB Ventus 9VL
    Cummins QSC 8.3 600
    Ha ha! You knew I’d be by.

    @JVM225 Of course I’m biased but Back Cove and Sabres are great boats. Having a hard top with real glass and no canvas sides is friggin awesome. My BC 34 had an aft drop curtain, but it such an improvement over the camper on my AJ. I can’t wait to get my new BC 37 up to Long Island - it has a full glass back. Just pull the shades and shut the door.
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    PM me if you want to talk about them from an owner’s perspective - we can chat. For some reason I’ve been having a lot of individual conversations recently with folks looking to buy either a BC or a Sabre and wanting advice/input.
     
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  19. Xplicitlnck

    Xplicitlnck Well-Known Member

    Jan 2, 2012
    Long island ny
    330ec
    Twin 7.4 straight drive
    Watcha got? Pictures? I'm looking pretty aggressively. Probably out of my price range but worth a shot. Let me know
     
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  20. mobocracy

    mobocracy Active Member

    526
    Jun 29, 2014
    United States
    310 Sundancer
    350 Mag & Bravo III
    I've always found it surprising that the larger Sundancers didn't have at least a 3/4 covered helm/cockpit. I get it with like a 310 or so, at best they're really overnighters or weekenders, but on the larger vessels they have the equipment and endurance for longer voyages or stays away from the dock and it just doesn't make sense that you wouldn't have at least a Tiara-style mostly enclosed helm.

    There's a handful of mid-2000s 400s and 410s on our lake and it just seems odd to see a relatively large vessel with so much canvas.
     

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