The "virus" What are your thoughts

DWABoat said:
Royal Caribbean has suspended all their cruises. Sounds like some idle cruise ships could be contracted for hospitals. I wonder why this was not proposed for New York and Seattle being port cities?
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Beds without staff are useless.
Beds and staff without equipment is more useless.
Converting hotel rooms into makeshift hospital rooms isn’t really doable without the needed resources.
 
We have a hospital about 1/2 mile from me that closed down a few months ago. Joe Bidens brother was allegedly somehow involved with the owner in a scam to bilk money from the healthcare system and it had to close down. The feds could come in and open it up to be used for patients under some type of law I would think. Not sure I would be comfortable having that many infected people that close to my house but if it is part of the solution then why not?
 
El Capitan said:
Beds without staff are useless.
Beds and staff without equipment is more useless.
Converting hotel rooms into makeshift hospital rooms isn’t really doable without the needed resources.
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I agree with you the soft surfaces that are in hotels and the ventilation needed for patients with Covid-19 would make it a huge breading ground
 
Golfman25 said:
If you go to state department of health websites, you can usually get a county by county map. What you see is that the virus is concentrated in the cities (obviously). But you don't see the growth in the outer counties. For example, in IL outside the Chicago and suburbs, counties have less than 10 cases, many downstate have zero.
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Agree - the state by state map is misleading and appears to be a "tool" for the media and or governors to execute addenda. I have a real problem how data is being twisted; but, what's new?
 
Steve S said:
Actually I believe Carnival has offered their ships already.
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From what I understand and from good sources is Carnival are the only cruise line that own their boats; all others lease (even Disney). This enables Carnival to authorize any use of their ships.
 
ttmott said:
From what I understand and from good sources is Carnival are the only cruise line that own their boats; all others lease (even Disney). This enables Carnival to authorize any use of their ships.
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Actually Carnival Corp owns 10 cruise line brands including Carnival, Costa, Princess, Cunard and Holland America worry over 100 vessels.
 
ttmott said:
Agree - the state by state map is misleading and appears to be a "tool" for the media and or governors to execute addenda. I have a real problem how data is being twisted; but, what's new?
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I’m starting to wonder if the real rate of infection in the NY Metro area is really all that much higher than any other metro area in the country.
Cuomo is an experienced Governor who instinctively jumped up and down to get a lion’s share of testing abilities.
NY is leading the nation in testing by a lot. Yet as of yesterday, in Cuomo’s own words, there were 888 people in ICU beds out of more than 30,000 positive tests. That seems like a pretty low relative number.
I don’t doubt for a minute that NY has a lot of cases per capita, but I’m wondering if it is really all that much higher than other metro areas.
What would the numbers be like in the DC, Chicago, Miami, Atlanta etc. metro areas be if the Governors of those states jumped in front of testing like Cuomo did?
Cuomo knows that he had a budget crisis going in to this with a more than 3 billion dollars Medicaid shortfall problem, municipal hospitals were operating at a loss, dwindling tax revenues from people fleeing high taxes in recent years and a struggling MTA. He also is sharp enough to know not to let any crisis go to waste.
I’d be shocked if he didn’t use this crisis to try to get a pile of money out of the Feds to offset the budget woes he was inevitably facing.
I’m not saying that NY doesn’t have a problem, but I suspect that Cuomo is dramatizing it a bit for his own benefit.
Examples of testing per capita.
These are statistics of people tested per million of population as of Monday 3/23.
Illinois 657, Florida 525, California 325 and NY 3156.
Click link below to see numbers for other states.

https://www.businessinsider.com/number-of-coronavirus-tests-in-each-us-state-map-2020-3

https://www.nydailynews.com/opinion...0200326-vact5ay2v5foxebe7crsawlcbm-story.html
 
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ttmott said:
Agree - the state by state map is misleading and appears to be a "tool" for the media and or governors to execute addenda. I have a real problem how data is being twisted; but, what's new?
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Welcome to the party pal.
 
boatman37 said:
We have a hospital about 1/2 mile from me that closed down a few months ago. Joe Bidens brother was allegedly somehow involved with the owner in a scam to bilk money from the healthcare system and it had to close down. The feds could come in and open it up to be used for patients under some type of law I would think. Not sure I would be comfortable having that many infected people that close to my house but if it is part of the solution then why not?
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Are you saying that a member of Biden’s family may have been involved in a shady deal?
Shocked I tell you! Shocked!
 
El Capitan said:
I believe the mortality rates we see in the next two weeks will reveal all.

10-14 days till enlightenment folks.
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El C,
You are following more closely than I am. Is the 10-14 days you are mentioning predicted to be our worst time frame based on what other countries experienced?

I refuse to listen to any more public news sources on this due to my complete lack of faith in what any of them are saying. I am depending on you guys to keep me straight! Geez....am I desperate for info or what!!!
 
DWABoat said:
El C,
You are following more closely than I am. Is the 10-14 days you are mentioning predicted to be our worst time frame based on what other countries experienced?

I refuse to listen to any more public news sources on this due to my complete lack of faith in what any of them are saying. I am depending on you guys to keep me straight! Geez....am I desperate for info or what!!!
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Our rate of growth has slowed the last 3 days. Was in the 40% range. Now in the 25% range. I'd really like to see the numbers without New York.
 
We know know there is community spread throughout the country now. I agree, the next two weeks will be telling for not only the death rate, but the burden on the infrastructure. Can the system keep up? Can we get the PPE and Vents produced to keep up with need?

You can look at the numbers outside of NY, but NY is really the canary in the coal mine. This will only play out differently in other regions depending on the gov'ts and communities actions or inactions in those areas. Further, since people are free to travel, travel-related spread will continue

As testing becomes more available we will start to get a better picture.

This isn't going away tomorrow.

Further, I believe pretty soon we will all know someone or know someone that knows someone with the virus and it will become more real. Esp. if hospitals here in the US have to make the decisions being faced in Spain and Italy with regards to deciding who gets needed medical equipment for their survival.
 
The mortality rate is climbing. I check it everyday - it has been hovering right around 1.2% - 1.3%. Yesterday it was slightly above 1.4% and today it is at 1.5%.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
 
Boat Guy said:
We know know there is community spread throughout the country now. I agree, the next two weeks will be telling for not only the death rate, but the burden on the infrastructure. Can the system keep up? Can we get the PPE and Vents produced to keep up with need?

You can look at the numbers outside of NY, but NY is really the canary in the coal mine. This will only play out differently in other regions depending on the gov'ts and communities actions or inactions in those areas. Further, since people are free to travel, travel-related spread will continue

As testing becomes more available we will start to get a better picture.

This isn't going away tomorrow.

Further, I believe pretty soon we will all know someone or know someone that knows someone with the virus and it will become more real. Esp. if hospitals here in the US have to make the decisions being faced in Spain and Italy with regards to deciding who gets needed medical equipment for their survival.
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Yes and no. New York is a problem. And I'm guessing it due to their massive use of public transportation. In less populated areas it's way less of a problem. Many counties only have 1-2 cases, with several at 0. Even in my county outside of Chicago there is only 19. Even in IL smaller cities, there are less than 10 cases (Rockford, Springfield, Champagne). Density matters A LOT.
 
My county has no known cases yet. The county population is 35,000, 28/sqmi. Of course we don't have many hospital beds here either, probably <200.
 
Look at “ new deaths”. That rate is reducing.

Right now we are 3 deaths per 1m in population on national avg.

New Yorkers have fled the city and state and are impacting rates in the typical migratory destinations ie Florida.

The mortality rate as a percentage has and will continue to decrease as the number of positive tests are reported.

In addition to everything you hear about shortages of PPE there is same shortage in electronic reporting from private labs and hospitals.

Much of that reporting today is done by paper via fax!!

Based on incubation time of 14 days adding in another 7 days as safety margin the math tells us 10-14 more days till full disclosure is observable by the public.
 
Oh and btw, expect the next round of political warfare to begin starting now and parallel to the final unveiling.
 
DWABoat said:
El C,
You are following more closely than I am. Is the 10-14 days you are mentioning predicted to be our worst time frame based on what other countries experienced?

I refuse to listen to any more public news sources on this due to my complete lack of faith in what any of them are saying. I am depending on you guys to keep me straight! Geez....am I desperate for info or what!!!
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Hey if you can't rely on complete strangers on the internet to tell you the truth who can you believe.
 
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