The President Said, Hire those who are on long term unemployment

Just a bit of info so you guys don't feel alone...

Minimum wages in Australia.

Currently the full-time minimum wage is $16.37 per hour or $622.20 per week. This means that most employees in the national system shouldn't get less than this.

Casuals covered by the national minimum wage get an extra 24% ($20.30 per hour).

National minimum wages for apprentices, juniors & trainees

There are special national minimum wages for trainees, apprentices and juniors who don’t have an award or agreement. From 1 July 2013 these are:

Juniors:

Age% of national minimum wageMinimum hourly rate
Under 1636.8%$6.03
1647.3%$7.74
1757.8%$9.46
1868.3%$11.18
1982.5%$13.51
2097.7%$16.00


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Subsidies to employ the long term unemployed


Wage Connect Subsidy

Wage Connect is a new wage subsidy that can help you offset the costs of wages and training for new employees for the first six months they are in the job. You may be eligible to receive a subsidy of approximately $5,900 for each job placement, or around $230 per week (pre-GST). The subsidy may be paid for longer in some circumstances.

Wage Connect is easy to set up and claim. You’ll be reducing your labour costs while providing job seekers with the opportunity to gain work and transition to greater financial independence.

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UNEMPLOYMENT BENEFITS

Newstart Allowance is an unemployment benefit, which is paid in the form of a payment for people between 22 and 64 and is given to those who apply for the benefit and are unemployed and are seeking work.
It is paid on the basis of a 'mutual agreement' between the customer and Centrelink, where Centrelink will continue to pay fortnightly payments to the customer, for so long as the customer attempts to find employment and fulfills the mutual obligation requirements. These mutual agreements are negotiated between Centrelink, the Job Seeker and their Job Services Australia provider or Disability Employment Services provider, and are recorded into an Employment Pathway Plan or "EPP". Activities which a job seeker may have to agree to engage in, in order to continue receiving Newstart Allowance include applying for a specific number of jobs (usually ten) per fortnight and recording these applications in a Centrelink issued diary,[1] undertaking vocational education or training, paid work experience, participation in a labour market program or Work for the Dole project, and other activities, such as voluntary work if considered appropriate by Centrelink.[2] For example, more elderly customers who have been made redundant and are approaching the age pension age, and who may face considerable difficulties re-entering the labour market, are often permitted to fulfil their plan by engaging in voluntary activities alone. A job seeker has to nominate and engage in one activity (for example, either a vocational education activity or Work for the Dole activity) in any one mutual obligation period (lasting six months at a time).
Clients are not expected to engage in the more intensive of these activities as soon as their receipt of the allowance commences. The amount of activity required on behalf of the client in order to continue receiving his/her benefit is usually staggered as follows:
Ordinarily, during the first three months of unemployment, a job seeker has no other obligations but to submit a fortnightly Application For Payment form at the local office. The form asks the applicant a number of questions about his /her circumstances and for the basic details of four positions for which the job seeker applied in the last fortnight. Customers may also be required to make up to 10 'Job Search Contacts' per fortnight (dependent on the local labour market and their personal circumstances) and record the details of these jobs within a specifically issued Job Seeker Diary for a given period of time. The job seeker then takes the Application For Payment form personally to the local Centrelink Office. He will then attend a short one-on-one interview with a Centrelink officer. The interview is usually for the purposes of checking that the application form is in order and that the applicant is aware of any appointments that may need to be attended, and obligations that may need to be met. The client at this stage also has the opportunity to talk to a Centrelink officer about any problems the client may be encountering without having to make a prior appointment first.
If after an initial three months of unemployment, during which the job seeker has only to hand in the fortnightly application form and record the Job Seeker Diary, the client remains unemployed; the client will be required to attend appointments with a Job Services Australia provider whose responsibility it is to assist the client to re-enter the work force. The job seeker also has to attend a two-week training course which focusses on job searching skills such as writing resumes and attending interviews.
If the customer remains unemployed for twelve months, they are then subject to the Work Experience Phase of their Employment Pathway Plan, which consists of more intensive assistance involving the activities listed above, such as, Work for the Dole, accredited study, part-time work, volunteer work or a combination of these. A Job Services Australia provider may require a Newstart recipient to do voluntary work (up to 15 hours a week), for which clients receive a supplement to their benefit of $10.40 per week. The supplement is also paid to Work for the Dole participants.[3] They must also continue to apply for 4 or more positions at the same time to meet their mutual obligations.
If the client becomes long-term unemployed (24 months or longer), the client's activity requirements will usually consist of another Work Experience Phase style activity for six months in any twelve-month period. (Australia's unemployment benefits do not have a time limit: it is, in theory, possible to remain on unemployment benefits for the whole of one's working life).
Newstart payment rates are adjusted on 20 March and 20 September each year. As of 20 September 2012, the basic Newstart rate for a single unemployed person without children is A$492.60 per fortnight ($501.00 - September 2013). However, this basic rate does not include supplement payments which can include Rent Assistance of up to A$121.00 per fortnight, and other supplements, such as Pharmaceutical Allowance, Telephone Allowance, Remote Area Allowance, Training Supplement and the Work For The Dole Supplement; which are paid depending on personal circumstances and activity.[4] Rates differ for married couples, registered relationships or de facto couples (including same sex or opposite sex couples) and persons with children. Despite significant increases in the cost of living the Newstart payment has not receive a reasonable increase nor kept pace with inflation. The initial income threshold has only risen from 1987s $60 to $62 in 2000 where it remains today.
On 1 March 2010, the Australian Government introduced changes to Disability Employment Services. Multiple existing programs were streamlined into two clearly distinct programs, making assessment and referral processes less complex.
All eligible job seekers with disability have access to individually tailored services which meet their needs including capacity building, training, work experience and other 'interventions' to help participants obtain and maintain suitable employment. DES providers support and manage a participant's condition in the workplace, along with providing ongoing support in the workplace for as long as it is required.


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Wow, Ian, I have my attorney reviewing the document.

So what’s wrong with having the unemployed work a couple days a week for the government? They would not be required to work if interviews are schedules or an absentee excuse letter is given by the interviewer.

I am not opposed to the idea that wages are subsidized so a skilled worker can take a lower paying job and start a new career. I am opposed to kids getting skilled waged for entry level positions.

Putting the onus of increased wage with no experience on the business owner is bassacwards.
In my opinion we don’t need increased minimum wage we need decrease in welfare benefits.

Unemployment is a bit different in that those who work pay into it along with the employer. I think the length of time and amount should be according to the length of time and amount one has paid into the system.

One who works 20 years should have a longer length of benefit than one who has only worked for 10 years. Again it’s just my opinion.
 
You know one of the most impressive things about my recent trip to Mexico is that the government down there does have something right... If you don't work you don't eat. Everyone works. The government in Mexico does help people with jobs BUT they have to fulfill their duties to get paid. Mostly the people on the Govt. jobs were single mothers who needed the flexible time to work and couldn't hold down a regular full time job. They have no social assistance. When Govt' aid was created it was disgraceful to be on it. People had more pride and ambition to get off it if as soon as they could. Now we have a split society and I believe we are getting close to a tipping point. We have two groups the ones that work and the ones that leach. We can not have more lechers then works. It just won't work this way. I see these people all the time rolling through my company every Monday as that is when the new recruits get shown the different areas of the building. We have a very high roll over rate on the production floor because people feel that they should make top dollar for no or very little skills. I started my working career watching go karts drive around a track for 12hours a day for $5.10 an hour. I was 16 and I thought it was the greatest thing ever. After High School I had summer jobs and went to school to have spending money and basically money for school. I have been going to College or training since 2001 and I am still at it and I don't believe I will stop any time soon. They only way to try to get a head today is #1 Education (yes which a large number of people have) and #2 The willingness to start at under your (Entitled) position. I know several people that once graduating college took on remedial jobs for income as they were on the job hunt. They were positive and worked hard and both have full time jobs they enjoy. I was reading an article why the minimum wage needed to be raised is because a person can't support a family of 4 on those wages. Well excuse me what the H3ll are they doing flipping burgers supporting 2 or 3 kids? I shouldn't have to pay for their lack of planning and not being able to keep the snake in its cage. Yet here we are supporting 10 kids in Florida with a mother that all the baby daddies are in jail.When I started with my current employer it was a basic lateral move. I have worked hard and shown that I can be efficient and accomplish great things if given the opportunity. Luckily it has paid off and I am very happy with where I have gone in the 2 years I have been with them. People want a check, not to work.

OK, rant over but this gets me fired up.

Pay for your own crap and leave mine alone. :thumbsup:
 
You know one of the most impressive things about my recent trip to Mexico is that the government down there does have something right...

They got health care right too. Everyone gets a crappy government plan for free that will save your life in a dirty hospital with no level of customer service. You have the option to buy an affordable private plan that will have a high deductible ($5,000-$10,000), but gets you a clean, nice private hospital room and excellent doctors. Most people pay out of pocket to private doctors who charge reasonable fees, because they are not getting sued left and right and burried by government bureaucracy and taxes.
 
I think most of us know the US is a constitutional democratic republic, learned all you wrote at the Citizenship test. I was just confirming what Old School wrote that foreigners have difficulty understanding the US system which I did too initially. Heck, even many from the US don't understand it either, ever seen Jay Leno's Jaywalking!

Brenda, my comments were intended to show the EC is a good thing, not directed personally to you. If I offended you, I'm sorry. I do disagree, lol, that "most" know anything about how the US government is assembled but agree entirely that "most" have the knowledge of someone on Jaywalking. Lol

Did anyone see Jimmy Kimmel's Lie Witness News about the State Of The Union speech?

[video=youtube_share;kWI58bgdVfw]http://youtu.be/kWI58bgdVfw[/video]

MM
 
We are not a lot different here in Australia.

Except...

Health care is basically free, covered by a Medicare levy (on those of us that work of course).... Though operations, particularly elective, has a waiting list and it can be fairly long (months, over a year) and what the government declares elective and what you believe is elective is quite different. Likewise the Medicare system does not allow you a choice of surgeon, so you get whoever is on at the hospital at the time.

Most of us that work and are reasonably successful pay Health insurance, which I think my wife told me ours has just gone to about $300 a month.

Unemployment, particularly long term, can be rife, and if you play the system, multiple kids, no spouse, so dependants allowance, free education, housing commission house subsidised, telephone, electricity subsidised, etc etc. Then your boyfriend doesn't live with you, just because he is there every night and also collecting unemployment.....then if your really smart you move to a small town on the coast, where there is no work, so your chance of ever getting offered a job is minimal. And you can happily lay on the beach all day.

When I was in the Army, I lived in one of the Sydney Suburbs where this was the norm, you could always tell the unemployed at the supermarket, Dole (unemployment) day, the shops would be full of them, shopping trolley with 5 kids hanging off it, 5 cartons of cigarettes, 3 cartons of beer, 2 casks of wine, 20 packets of chips, 1 pack of breakfast cereal and a pint of milk.

Then they would be on the news with a cigarette hanging out of their mouth complaining how they couldn't afford to feed the kids on the money they received.

And of course this type of upbringing, just breeds the same




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Wow, Ian, I have my attorney reviewing the document.

So what’s wrong with having the unemployed work a couple days a week for the government? They would not be required to work if interviews are schedules or an absentee excuse letter is given by the interviewer.

I am not opposed to the idea that wages are subsidized so a skilled worker can take a lower paying job and start a new career. I am opposed to kids getting skilled waged for entry level positions.

Putting the onus of increased wage with no experience on the business owner is bassacwards.
In my opinion we don’t need increased minimum wage we need decrease in welfare benefits.
Unemployment is a bit
different in that those who work pay into it along with the employer. I think the length of time and amount should be according to the length of time and amount one has paid into the system.
One who works 20 years should have a longer length of benefit than one who has only worked for 10 years. Again it’s just my opinion.
That's mostly untrue. Employees don't pay into the Feds UC fund and only 3(?) states require a small employee contribution to theirs. I think your living in one of them.
 
That's mostly untrue. Employees don't pay into the Feds UC fund and only 3(?) states require a small employee contribution to theirs. I think your living in one of them.

Woody, I don't know how I missed this as I had to pay unemployment taxes in SC on my employees. Now that I work in Pa as an employee I am still paying. It isn't much but it all ads up.
Thanks for the catch.
 
All these posts reminded me of something I read once, " Don't go around saying the world owes you a living. It owes you nothing, it was here first!" Mark Twain
 
This probably originated in the US and may have been Australianised, but I thought relevant.

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I had to borrow that one and send it to some friends in Del.
 

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