The future of EVs? Maybe not so bad?

boatman37 said:
The reason for that is that EV's aren't where they need to be so many are staying away. Try taking a road trip across the country in an EV. It would be a logistical nightmare. 100 mile detours to find a charging station. I couldn't name a single charging station anywhere near my house (not that I actively look for them). I'm sure there are some in Pittsburgh but thats 50 miles from my house. If I was driving through the rural countryside I'd be screwed.
I would consider buying one for my wife to drive back and forth to work but would never consider a long trip in one so stop forcing them on us by raising fuel prices, creating supply shortages and creating new taxes on us.
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Golfman25 said:
Once again you're missing the point. You're focused on today -- sure they aren't "forcing" you. But tomorrow they will be. Biden's looking for 50% new cars to be EVs by 2030.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/04/17/fact-sheet-biden-harris-administration-announces-new-private-and-public-sector-investments-for-affordable-electric-vehicles/#:~:text=As part of President Biden's,under the EV Acceleration Challenge.
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Come on man, this is the same argument that we've been over a billion times. This is hopes and dreams. In reality, there are 100:1 ICE to EVs in your local dealership, and GM is investing heavily in new V8 development:
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/01/20/gm-to-invest-900-million-in-four-factories-new-v8-engine/

You're worried about something that will likely never have a major impact on your life.
 
highslice said:
His post says Pittsburgh is 50 miles from his house. I believe that is "mapable".

As far as "reality", there are at least 13 states that have passed legislation banning the sale of ICE vehicles by 2035. And the EPA is issuing emissions standards that are forcing (see that word) automakers to move their fleet mix almost entirely to EVs. Which part of forced do you not understand? This isn't difficult. There is a reason this is a hot topic, Americans don't like having freedoms usurped. Simple.
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Yes, and five years ago, you couldn't buy a bump stock, but now you can. We live in a world where a target set for 2035 is nothing more than hopes and dreams. You know this as well as I do.

What freedom of yours has been usurped?
 
highslice said:
His post says Pittsburgh is 50 miles from his house. I believe that is "mapable".
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I was asking so that I could narrow the map down to an area closer to him. Granted charger stations near your home are almost worthless but here’s the stations within 50 miles of Pittsburgh.

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jmauld said:
Yes, and five years ago, you couldn't buy a bump stock, but now you can. We live in a world where a target set for 2035 is nothing more than hopes and dreams. You know this as well as I do.

What freedom of yours has been usurped?
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Ok, lets play semantics. I will exchange threatened with usurped.

Also, according to the ATF, bump stocks are still prohibited. They are classified by the ATF as "machine gun parts" under the National Firearms Act...
 
jmauld said:
Come on man, this is the same argument that we've been over a billion times. This is hopes and dreams. In reality, there are 100:1 ICE to EVs in your local dealership, and GM is investing heavily in new V8 development:
https://www.autoblog.com/2023/01/20/gm-to-invest-900-million-in-four-factories-new-v8-engine/

You're worried about something that will likely never have a major impact on your life.
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You're clueless. GW Bush banned the normal freaking light bulb. Now I have to pay 20x more for a bulb that basically sucks -- don't last as long as advertised, flicker, all sorts of different colors, etc. I have bot and thrown away more "new" light bulbs in the last dozen or so years than I did my entire lifetime before that.
 
highslice said:
As far as "reality", there are at least 13 states that have passed legislation banning the sale of ICE vehicles by 2035. .
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Should those states not have the right to ban sales within their borders?
 
jmauld said:
I was asking so that I could narrow the map down to an area closer to him. Granted charger stations near your home are almost worthless but here’s the stations within 50 miles of Pittsburgh.

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I can assure you Erie, PA is more than 50 miles from Pittsburgh...lol. Closer to about 125. Lemme check that real quick...

yep...128 miles. By the time you get there and back it'd be time to head back to charge it again...lol
 
Golfman25 said:
You're clueless. GW Bush banned the normal freaking light bulb. Now I have to pay 20x more for a bulb that basically sucks -- don't last as long as advertised, flicker, all sorts of different colors, etc. I have bot and thrown away more "new" light bulbs in the last dozen or so years than I did my entire lifetime before that.
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Golf, I actually have a bit of respect for you and I ask that you not call me clueless, especially when you're mistaken. incadescent light bulbs are still available, I know, because I just purchased a pack:
https://www.amazon.com/Pack-Incandescent-Watt-Light-Bulb/dp/B07KYVFXFX/
 
boatman37 said:
I can assure you Erie, PA is more than 50 miles from Pittsburgh...lol. Closer to about 125. Lemme check that real quick...

yep...128 miles. By the time you get there and back it'd be time to head back to charge it again...lol
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I guessed since that program doesn't have a scale. Regardless, a 50 miles radius is included in that image, which you confirmed. Thank you.
 
I'm near 16101. Just did a quick search and looks like most of those charging stations are at car dealers. I doubt my local Nissan dealer let's the general public use their charging stations. There are a few that are hotels. Probably have to be a guest there to use them but who knows. I see a tavern about 40 miles from me has one and that looks to be the closest. It's at a tavern. There is a grocery store about 50 miles the other direction from me that has one. So yeah...I don't need those if I live near here but what about those out on a country cruise that have to detour 50 miles each way to charge their cars? Like I said, a huge inconvenience in my eyes so I would not want to take one on a trip. We are planning a road trip to Rhode Island this summer and will be driving through northern PA (about 1500 miles total round trip and site seeing). I get uncomfortable when my phone gets below 50%so I sure as heck wouldn't let me EV get below that so I'd be stopping every 2 hours or so to recharge. Not fun at all.
 

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highslice said:
Ok, lets play semantics. I will exchange threatened with usurped.

Also, according to the ATF, bump stocks are still prohibited. They are classified by the ATF as "machine gun parts" under the National Firearms Act...
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Okay, and they have also been threatening to take away Social Security for decades, yet here we are.

I thought the Bumpstock ban had been repealed?
 
boatman37 said:
I get uncomfortable when my phone gets below 50%so I sure as heck wouldn't let me EV get below that so I'd be stopping every 2 hours or so to recharge. Not fun at all.
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Do you feel uncomfortable when you get below half tank of gas? On our first trip with the EV, I was watching the "range" like a hawk, then I realized that there was a station on just about every other exit, 3 exits at most. Even in SC. Granted this is with a Tesla, and if you were to ask my opinion, I would suggest a Tesla simply due to the increased charging options and the fact that it pretty much tells you all of the options available as you approach a low charge. It also gives you recommendations for places to eat nearby.
 
boatman37 said:
I'm near 16101. Just did a quick search and looks like most of those charging stations are at car dealers. I doubt my local Nissan dealer let's the general public use their charging stations. There are a few that are hotels. Probably have to be a guest there to use them but who knows. I see a tavern about 40 miles from me has one and that looks to be the closest. It's at a tavern. There is a grocery store about 50 miles the other direction from me that has one. So yeah...I don't need those if I live near here but what about those out on a country cruise that have to detour 50 miles each way to charge their cars? Like I said, a huge inconvenience in my eyes so I would not want to take one on a trip. We are planning a road trip to Rhode Island this summer and will be driving through northern PA (about 1500 miles total round trip and site seeing). I get uncomfortable when my phone gets below 50%so I sure as heck wouldn't let me EV get below that so I'd be stopping every 2 hours or so to recharge. Not fun at all.
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My kid went to school about 275 miles away. About a 4 to 4.5 hour drive. Did a Tesla search, and I would have to stop for 30 min or so at a Meijer in the hell hole known as West Lafayette. Then when I got to his place, I'd need to find a charger so I could get around all weekend and start home. With my truck I could get down on 3/4 tank. Drive around all weekend, then fill up in 5 min. before I left. Yeah an EV would work. :)
 
Golfman25 said:
My kid went to school about 275 miles away. About a 4 to 4.5 hour drive. Did a Tesla search, and I would have to stop for 30 min or so at a Meijer in the hell hole known as West Lafayette. Then when I got to his place, I'd need to find a charger so I could get around all weekend and start home. With my truck I could get down on 3/4 tank. Drive around all weekend, then fill up in 5 min. before I left. Yeah an EV would work. :)
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No one is making you sell your truck. And if you needed a new ICE truck, you can go buy one.
And while I suspect this will go out as fast as it goes in, you don't sit at a Tesla supercharger for 30 minutes. They charge faster than that. Now if you get a POS GM or Toyota EV, then you'll be sitting at a charger for longer periods.
 
jmauld said:
Fairly sure my state won't be making this decision. We are too busy making sure kids aren't given participation trophies: https://www.foxnews.com/sports/nort...-seek-ban-participation-trophies-youth-sports

I'll bet you $20, that in 2035, you'll be able to walk into a Chevrolet dealer and buy a Gas or diesel truck.
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Sure. I can hardly walk into a Chevy dealer and buy a gas or diesel truck now. Pickins are slim.

Like most communist states, IL will jump on the band wagon to ban ICE vehicles soon.
 
Golfman25 said:
Sure. I can hardly walk into a Chevy dealer and buy a gas or diesel truck now. Pickins are slim.

Like most communist states, IL will jump on the band wagon to ban ICE vehicles soon.
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It's because they're all sitting on the lots down here! Move south, where you can still buy trucks and use your boat all year.
 
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