Survey and Sea Trial tomorrow

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  1. Adam-swf

    Adam-swf New Member

    29
    Dec 13, 2016
    Bradenton, FL
    1998 Sea Ray 270da Sundancer
    7.4 Mercruiser w/Bravo III
    Hi All,

    What a great forum you have here. I'm very close to buying a '98 270da, the survey and sea trial are tomorrow. Very excited, won't have any trouble getting up in the morning. Late to ask now but if there's anything to look for in particular please let me know. And thanks for the great resource of Sea Ray info!

    -Adam-swf
     
  2. JamesT

    JamesT Member

    194
    Oct 7, 2013
    Longport, NJ
    2011 470 Sundancer
    Cummins 480s w/ Zeus PODs
    The best feeling ever is the anticipation of a sea trial in the morning, on the boat you think you love! Good luck!! Only advice I could give you is to have the courage to walk away (or threaten to) if things don't go as planned with the sea trial. I was so in love with my 3rd boat that I decided to overlook some things we found during the inspection and sea trial. My wife had to step in and slap me around a little to help me come to my senses and so glad she did. Also get a survey (engine and hull). The surveyors also help to provide an unbiased second opinion to help us men see things more clearly through our boat goggles.
     
  3. Adam-swf

    Adam-swf New Member

    29
    Dec 13, 2016
    Bradenton, FL
    1998 Sea Ray 270da Sundancer
    7.4 Mercruiser w/Bravo III
    That is very sound advice, thank you! I do have the surveyor going with me for
    the sea trial and an engine guy will look it over in the afternoon. It would be hard to walk at this point but you are right, have to be able to. Anyway I should know what shape she's in tomorrow, hopefully good news!
     
  4. endless seas

    endless seas Member

    973
    Feb 13, 2008
    Baltimore,Maryland
    1997 450 DA
    Cat 420
    Very good advice indeed.
     
  5. JamesT

    JamesT Member

    194
    Oct 7, 2013
    Longport, NJ
    2011 470 Sundancer
    Cummins 480s w/ Zeus PODs
    Then you're doing everything right and putting yourself in the best position! Good luck tomorrow and be sure to post plenty of pics if you decide to move forward!
     
  6. mquiet

    mquiet Member

    980
    Aug 4, 2009
    North carolina
    1999 480 Sedan Bridge
    Caterpillar 3196
    Good luck with survey. I know the feeling of loving a boat and having to walk away. I had to do it twice and it hurt, but found a great boat in the end. Sending you positive Searay vibes.


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  7. northern

    northern Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    West coast Vancouver to Alaska
    380 Aft Cabin 1989 GPS and Charts by Nobeltec
    Twin 454 strait shaft
    Ask if you can take it to max RPM for an hour to see how the engine works. If owner says no ask why if it is fuel consumption offer to pay if he still says no there could be things wrong.
     
  8. Quint4

    Quint4 Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 6, 2006
    S.W. Ohio
    330 Sport Bridge
    5.7 MPI 350 Merc Bluewaters
    An hour at WOT? I respectfully disagree, not happening on my boat.

    5 minutes at WOT is more like it with 30 minutes at around 3300 - 3600 RPM.
     
  9. HUMPH

    HUMPH Well-Known Member

    Nov 4, 2009
    SF BAY AREA
    2003 410DA,
    2004 C14 Caribe
    CAT 3126TA's 350HP/
    50HP Honda
    I agree. There is no way I would allow anyone to run what is still MY boat for an hour at WOT no matter who pays for fuel! A few minutes to verify WOT speed and rpm and that is it!
     
  10. wrvond

    wrvond Member

    257
    Aug 27, 2016
    West Virginia
    1995 Sundancer 270
    Pa'u Hana
    7.4 liter Mercruiser w/Bravo II
    Well, you asked late and I'm answering late, but hope it's still timely enough to help. Check the portlights. They are very bad about leaking around the outside trim ring.
    Congratulations and good luck!
     
  11. Sous

    Sous Member

    670
    Jul 27, 2011
    Herring Bay, MD
    2009 330 DA, Raymarine C80, Intellian, VesselView, Kohler, Sea Lift, Central Vac
    MerCruiser 8.1 Horizons DTS
    Count me in the no freaking way category as well. In fact when I pulled the engine data on my current boat I looked specifically at some of the operating ranges to make sure the boat wasn't beat to death. If recall it only had 1.1 hour at 4000-4500+ RPM which is exactly what I'd want to see for a boat that at the time had about 250 hours.
     
  12. Adam-swf

    Adam-swf New Member

    29
    Dec 13, 2016
    Bradenton, FL
    1998 Sea Ray 270da Sundancer
    7.4 Mercruiser w/Bravo III
    Thanks guys, the survey and sea trial went well. There are three concerns. 1. The battery charger is not working. 2. The bracket that the hydraulic pump is mounted to has rusted and is no longer attached to the hull. 3. The AC does not blow cold air. The heat works and water is flowing but no cold air. So that stuff will be checked by a mechanic.


    The compression test was good as was the outdrive oil. We did run at cruise speed and WOT for a few minutes to verify speed and rpm. Boat handles nicely and the surveyors said it’s in terrific shape for a boat that age. Freaked me out seeing the guy jump into the engine compartment with the motor running and while underway!


    So I’m waiting to hear back on what the mechanic says. Concerned about the AC and not sure what a battery charger costs installed. We will have to determine who is paying for that stuff, and how that’ll all work. I was also going to have them put in a flush system while it’s there since I will store it on a lift. And considered sending them a transducer since I would have to haul it out to install that, no trailer. Anyway, wait and see but very positive experience.
     
  13. Sous

    Sous Member

    670
    Jul 27, 2011
    Herring Bay, MD
    2009 330 DA, Raymarine C80, Intellian, VesselView, Kohler, Sea Lift, Central Vac
    MerCruiser 8.1 Horizons DTS
    Excellent! Sounds like fairly minor stuff... the charger isn't a huge deal, the bracket should also be fairly simple, the A/C could be spendy depending on what's wrong. Good luck!
     
  14. northern

    northern Well-Known Member

    Jan 17, 2007
    West coast Vancouver to Alaska
    380 Aft Cabin 1989 GPS and Charts by Nobeltec
    Twin 454 strait shaft
    As to running at max RPM we have 2750 hours on our engines and the compression is good. Goes the same speed it did at 650 hours. Going north we have run the boat for an hour or so at full RPM because we want to miss rapids or get out of the way of a storm that was not supposed to be there. Boat handles it well. Crew does not. It burns 28 gallons an hour per engine so we try not to do it often. We normally run at 1400 RPM and burn 6 gallons an hour. If an engine will not take full load for extended time it is not in good condition. In a given year we might have 5 hours at max RPM. Before we had a 28 footer with twin V6 3.8 we ran them all the time at 3800RPM same results as this boat. Sold the boat at 1500 hours. It is still around and the owner has had no problems with the engines. Start stop does more damage than constant running under load. I used to run the maintenance department for a large pipeline company. We had every thing from turbines to diesel to electric. if it said full load 22,000 RPM on a turbine we ran it at that for days same with reciprocal engines. We used to get 40,000 hours on the turbines between rebuilds. Others I do not remember but t was in the 10s of thousands of hours. Maintenance is the key to long life of all equipment and the only way to find out if equipment is well maintained is to make it work hard.
    Glad your test run went well. If you got it to max RPM and all stabilized for 5 minutes that would be an indication all is well. There will come a day when you will need to run it hard for an extended time knowing now it will do it is good.
     
  15. bahamabreisus

    bahamabreisus Well-Known Member

    Oct 25, 2007
    Hampstead NC
    500 dancer, previous 420,390,300 dancers
    detriot 8v92
    AC is probably the reversing valve stuck, no big deal, tap with hammer. Battery charger a couple hundred or so plus labor. Not sure about the bracket you are talking about.
     
  16. Adam-swf

    Adam-swf New Member

    29
    Dec 13, 2016
    Bradenton, FL
    1998 Sea Ray 270da Sundancer
    7.4 Mercruiser w/Bravo III
    That is reassuring. The bracket is on the starboard side at the corners near the stern and the tilt/trim hydraulics appear to be mounted to it. Seems like an easy fix and the only rusted corroded part in the bilge.

    Also noticed the breaker panel by the battery switch is cracked pretty bad, assuming I can find one is that Diy?


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  17. Robf

    Robf Member

    257
    Apr 17, 2013
    Winfield, WV
    2004 390 Motor Yacht
    Twin 8.1 Mercruiser Inboards
    THe BEST in my opinion. Last year I had my heart set on a 405 Cruisers Yacht, but the sea trial did not go well and I was torn between justifying the results, or walking. In the end I walked and then found the boat I now own, the 390 Sea Ray MY. I love the boat, and looking back I dread the thought if I would have moved forward with purchasing the Cruisers Yacht! Rob
     
  18. Todd320

    Todd320 Active Member

    458
    Jul 21, 2016
    St. Petersburg, FL
    2007 Sea Ray 320DA
    Twin V-drive 5.7L 350 Horizon
    I almost purchased a 32' Regal with Volvo outdrives. Even the 20k repair bill on the outdrives didn't deter me, kept going. But the high sodium levels in the engine oil analysis (from the engine survey) after only 4 hours of engine run time since the oil changed finally scared me off. Bought a Sea Ray with vdrive inboards and could not be happier.


    Brown Eyed Girl - Sea Ray 320DA 350 MAG MPI V-drive
     
  19. paulswagelock

    paulswagelock Well-Known Member

    Oct 25, 2010
    pa
    2018 SDX 270 OB 300 Verado
    Verado 300
    The bracket for the trim pump is about $100 and takes 1 hr to change and is rather simple.
     
  20. Adam-swf

    Adam-swf New Member

    29
    Dec 13, 2016
    Bradenton, FL
    1998 Sea Ray 270da Sundancer
    7.4 Mercruiser w/Bravo III
    Good to know, thanks for the info.


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