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The way my oldest son is acting right now... I think I might be OK with sticking him with some deeper dept I run up.
 
Ah. . had a nice rest. Now I can enjoy this debate with a clear head.

But let me hit the punchline first:
We have many problems in this country. Washington is one problem. The "opinion for hire" press is another problem. This is a "common mode failure" issue for both sides of the political spectrum.

At the moment, however, we have just demonstrated that yes. . Good government requires negotiation, and you can't negotiate with Fanatics. I believe the Tea Party, for various reasons, are falling into the Fanatics category. Yes, they have many good ideas; but the fanaticism is preventing actual progress of their agenda. I think right now we are witnessing "slash and burn" politics that will take down the U.S. economy while trying to save it.


I think you misunderstood. I said that there should be NO defense cuts at all unless the Joint Chiefs say "Well... we can do without this.". Completely off the table unless the military voluntarily wants to give something up because it it not necessary for the purpose of defending the country.

Seriously. Compare our current Homeland Security budget compared to the DoD budget height of the cold war. It's comparable.
You think a bunch of guys on Camels represents a threat similar to the Soviet Union at the height of their power? Seriously?

Or are you simply in favor of Nation building around the world? I think the NeoCon foreign policy dogmas of the 2001-2006 era have been sufficiently disproven.

Eliminating foreign aid... Good idea. Cut every last nickle of that.

Now that you have addressed 1% of future deficit issue. . .please address the other 99%.

Restore the half trilliion of Medicare cuts that Obama took out of it, back into Medicare. Remember, we are still going to leave the defense budget alone as it is a necessity.

Did you say RESTORE the cuts. . or TRIPLE the cuts?

See. . we should not let anyone into government who can't pass 5th grade math. Without cuts, both Defense and Medicare expeditures grow. The growth is higher than 100% elimination of foreign aid. In very rough terms, Defense, Debt, and Medicare represent 3/4 of the overall budget.

If you take these off the table, eliminating the rest of the budget (including SS completely, RIGHT NOW) won't get you where you want to be.

EVERYTHING should be on the table.

Lets look at the National Endowment for the Arts.... Cut that. Artists are supposed to be starving. I say we help them out. Let them get real jobs like the rest of us.

See. . we should not let anyone into government who can't pass 5th grade math. You are attempting to balance the budget by eliminating 0.00% of spending. Please provide proposals that address the other 100.00% of spending.

Abolish the income tax, and scrap the code. Businesses should pay a flat 5% of revenue (not profit) tax when they sell to a consumer, 0% for business to business (as in raw materials, partial assemblies, etc.) sales unless the buying business IS the consumer for that product, then back to 5%.

Hahahahahahah. Good one. I like your style.
Tell me. . will those tax rates pay even for the Air Force? Certainly won't pay for the entire Department of Defence as you outlined above.

5th grade math. . .that's all it takes. Our education system is the pits, is it not?

The real piece of this puzzle is to GROW the economy by taking the handcuffs off.

Yeah. That will be a nice trick.
For another thread. . .

alright. . time for breakfast. We can talk about the rest of the non-sense later.
 
The way my oldest son is acting right now... I think I might be OK with sticking him with some deeper dept I run up.

Unlike wealth, debt does not pass from generation to generation.

What you actually have to do is to take out loans on HIS stuff.

Com welcome back, the libs needed you:). MM

Thanks. Except I have as much problem with the liberals as I do with the conservatives. Pelosi is almost as bad as the Tea Party.
It takes real work to make Congressional Democrats look responsible. The Republicans are really doing them a great favor.
 
Ski, Com is right. Without massive cuts to defense, including serious reductions in troops (tell me again why we are in Germany and Korea?...much less Libya) the numbers don't work. We can grow the economy-but social programs, waste and unnecessary bureaucracy are only part of the problem. Over regulation, fear mongering, and unearned entitlements (that includes farm subsidies and foreign aid) are the causes...debt is only the effect.
 
Mandatory? Really? How about we change the laws so it ain't so "mandatory." That's called reducing entitlements.

I am beginning to think nobody in Washington realizes that they can actually do what you are suggesting.

We have alot of 2+2 = 22 logic happening right now on capital hill.
 

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