Should i Document my boat

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Michael Mirra, Dec 3, 2019 at 1:28 PM.

  1. Michael Mirra

    Michael Mirra Member

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    Jan 18, 2017
    Rock Hall, Md
    360 Sundancer 2002
    8.1 Horizon X 2
    I have New Jersey registration on my boat. It has been in Maryland for the last 2 years and will be there for at least another year. Then possibly back to NJ or Delaware. What is the procedure to do this and approximate cost, or should i continue to register it in NJ or maybe Maryland? Its a 360 DA
     
  2. Ididntdoit

    Ididntdoit Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Dec 5, 2007
    New England & South Florida
    Boatless
    Boatless
    Not sure why you would want to - unless your chartering or a lender requires it, I can't think of a good reason to do it - to my knowledge, you don't escape any sales or use taxes in different jurisdictions.....
     
  3. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    Not sure why you would not want to. The USCG Documentation Certificate erases any state boundary in ownership legality and establishes a wider swath for legal possession outside of the US borders. Your vessel will fall under maritime law which has pluses and minuses; be informed. This is not to say the State you keep your boat in isn't going to get their dues; you will have to register in the state of residency or where the boat is harbored and pay sales tax and registration as applicable.
     
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  4. FastMarkA

    FastMarkA Member

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    Jul 12, 2010
    Chicago
    2015 Sunseeker Portofino 40
    Volvo Penta D6-330
    Of recent interest is the legalization of marijuana in some states. If a boat is federally documented, technically there shouldn't be weed on board, even if it's in California or Michigan waters, where recreational use is allowed.
     
  5. Michael Mirra

    Michael Mirra Member

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    Jan 18, 2017
    Rock Hall, Md
    360 Sundancer 2002
    8.1 Horizon X 2
    I guess i misunderstood the whole documentation thing. I thought it would be the way to go since I go back and forth between states. I haven't been hit up by Maryland the last two or three years since i've been there but I don't think I would get away with not having Jersey registration if i was there for a year or more without it.
     
  6. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    You should be able to research whether there is a reciprocal relationship between NJ and MD.

    I think the definition is principal place of use. If an out of state registered boat is in Maryland waters greater than the time period defined by the state (normally 6 months) then payment of taxes are required.

    If there is a reciprocal relationship, then the taxes paid in NJ would count.
     
  7. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    So, if NJ has an intangible tax and MD does not the decision isn't hard. Register and keep the boat in the most economical environment wither documented or not.
     
  8. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
    Setauket, NY
    2018 Back Cove 34
    Cummins QSB 6.7 480
    Consider that you must list the boats hailing’s port (city, state) when documenting. It also must be put in the boat. Changing the hailing port require amending the documentation.
     
  9. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Good info. Add that a prospective buyer purchasing a used documented boat will know if their are liens on it.
     
  10. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    Hailing port has no connection to where the boat is kept. Our hailing port is in Texas. Boat has never been to Texas.

    May not be an issue in MD. In Florida it can be an issue. If you are stopped for inspection by a state agency, they will inquire about registrations. I have known (not just heard from someone) of State agents inquiring on a boat they have seen in a marina for a long time without a FL sticker.

    It's revenue. Every state wants their piece of the pie.
     
  11. sbw1

    sbw1 Well-Known Member

    Oct 10, 2006
    West Michigan
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    IMG_4230.JPG Our boat was documented. We avoided the need to have registration numbers, which are kind of ugly, on the hull. We displayed a small registration decal on the side windows. For us the benefit was mostly cosmetic. I do believe it made our sale a bit easier as the buyer had a trusted source (USCG) he could check with that showed the boat as a one owner vessel with no liens that would encumber his title. So it made the paperwork easier. There is a federal form that you download to transfer the documentation. The USCG charges a fee for doing this although it is fairly cheap as I recall.
     
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  12. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    USCG doesn't care what the state law is... Weed is still against the law by Federal statute !!!
     
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  13. Jaybeaux

    Jaybeaux Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

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    And since all navigable waterways fall under the jurisdiction of the USCG....you get the idea.
     
  14. Sublimetime

    Sublimetime Active Member

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    Oct 22, 2007
    clifton nj
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    From the post above......
    Hailing port has no connection to where the boat is kept. Our hailing port is in Texas. Boat has never been to Texas.

    I thought the whole idea of "hailing port" is to know where you hail from / or berth port . , How do you have a hailing port there if the boat has never been there. I don't think they want to know where you live.
     
  15. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    I asked the question. Read on the uscg website.

    can be either where the home port of the boat is or the city where the managing owner of the boat lives.
     
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  16. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    This is correct.
     
  17. stephens013

    stephens013 Active Member

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    Oct 8, 2009
    Ft Walton Beach, Fl
    2001 510 Sundancer
    1997 400DA Sundancer
    1994 Chalarral 310 Signature
    3196 Cat; 660 PHP
    3116 Cat; 340 PHP
    There it is, the registration number thing. If your boat is just in side the confines of the US then, as I see it , the Documintaion of you vessel really has no advantage. Well other than getting rid of those funky ass state required registration numbers. Non documented you can still grace the stern of your boat with what ever you think appropriate; name, home port and so on, you just don't have to adhear to the UCCG regulations in the matter.

    My last two boats were purchased with the intent of going to the Bahamas. Documintaion makes a little more since. There is a Documintaion perk of get this nifty official paper work declaring you as owner and the name of the vessel and so on. But for most recreational boaters it's pretty much like having the AKC papers on a neutered pure bread.
     
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  18. bobeast

    bobeast Dance the Tide SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 22, 2017
    Isleton, CA
    2002 310DA
    350 MPI w/V-drives
    I'd cut off my nose to spite my state. Documenting means I don't have to pay California for annual registration. Any nickel less I have to send to the Republik, is worth...well....a nickle.
     
  19. FootballFan

    FootballFan Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Jun 20, 2012
    Florida
    Marquis 59
    MTU Series 60
    I have no idea about California laws. In Florida, documenting does not remove taxes and registration to the state.
     
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  20. JVM225

    JVM225 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 8, 2008
    Farmingdale, NY
    2002 410 Sundancer, Monaco Edition.
    3126 Cats.
    Same here in The People’s Socialist Republic of New York.
    Comrade Cuomo and his merry band of thieves don’t care about documentation. They just want the money.
    It’s worth the $26.00 a year I pay the USCG to keep the ugly state registration numbers off the hull.
    I put the small NY stickers in the side windows so they know I paid the sales tax and their registration fees and they leave me alone.
     
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