Should Apple Decrypt the San Bernardino iPhone?

JimG said:
Bite me Apple!
https://www.washingtonpost.com/worl...93a0e2-f52b-11e5-9804-537defcc3cf6_story.html
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This is good and bad but the whole thing makes me suspicious. The good -- it's a win for citizens and for companies. The bad -- if true, our phones are clearly not secure. If the FBI or another forensics company figured out how to break the encryption then a hacker will be able to do the same.

Now, the conspiracy theorist in me is suspicious of this move by the FBI. I have hunch that the feds may not have actually gotten into the phone but instead they are spreading misinformation so the bad guys don't rely on Apple products as a safe haven. The feds can probably crack Android devices so they could be intentionally orchestrating this whole story as a means to drive the terrorists to Android by making them think it's more secure than Apple now.
 
My guess is the .gov could crack the phone all along but they won't admit it. It's cleaner if Apple "helps" them unlock the phone. When Apple wouldn't willingly comply they waived it in Apple's face to make it look like a venerability.

It was lose lose for Apple from the beginning. Why not walk away with integrity intact.

You really think the government of The United States of America will be stonewalled by a cell phone? Really?
 
My view is if you now think your phone is a security risk then don't put your whole life on your phone. It's called risk analysis and mitigation. Actually go to banks in person to do your transactions. Actually drive to stores and buy stuff. Actually call people and talk to them. Heck, you could even write letters. No one one owes you a cushy life where everything you want can be done sitting still.
 
ZZ13 said:
My view is if you now think your phone is a security risk then don't put your whole life on your phone. It's called risk analysis and mitigation. Actually go to banks in person to do your transactions. Actually drive to stores and buy stuff. Actually call people and talk to them. Heck, you could even write letters. No one one owes you a cushy life where everything you want can be done sitting still.
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That is just not the reality most people live today. Most people cannot live without putting sensitive information on a phone they carry, either due to their type of employment travel or how their job works. I suppose one could do it that way if one was a fry cook.

anyone notice how the time to pay a bill keeps getting shorter and shorter?

MM
 
I equate this to the push by a few for smart chip guns and RFID chips implanted.

Guns, well lets see you have your gun and some incident happens and the Gov-Mint disables your gun, while there's still work.

RFID chips, a while back there was a big push to put ones complete medical history on an Id chip and then if one was admitted, the admitting facility would have access. Sounds good on paper until one has an experience which has a stark difference to what should be there. I had a long go around with a doctor I once saw and an item I mentioned to him and what ended up in his medical report. I stated one thing he stated something else within the report. His statement and mine where in fact 180 degrees different. Then there is the fact that so many hospital doctor reports are transcribed by others. I would suggest that one obtains there doctor visit reports after a visit and check what is actually within the report, you might be quite surprised. I like to think of these deals as "user" level of access and then the "Administrators" level, you see the first level while others see other levels of information and assorted data.

With the current state of anti-gun Nazi's around I for sure would not mention to a doctor if asked anything about depression. One may be having a tough month and are a bit stressed out, but nothing for anyone to be worried about, yet asked by ones doctor if any feelings of depression recently, you might reply yes it has been a tough month. yet when the report is written, it could simple state, "patient is depressed."

So my answer to any Gov-Mint related interference is an emphatic NO!
 
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MonacoMike said:
That is just not the reality most people live today. Most people cannot live without putting sensitive information on a phone they carry, either due to their type of employment travel or how their job works. I suppose one could do it that way if one was a fry cook.

anyone notice how the time to pay a bill keeps getting shorter and shorter?

MM
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How true...Those lowly fry cooks don't have email addresses or banking apps on their phones. They just walk around town paying their bills with french fries. There's no way a fry cook could have an important email with sensitive data either. Since they pay for everything with french fries they don't receive emailed receipts.

I pay all my bills online or use a direct draft from my checking account. They happen automatically and electronically so there is very little time spent paying these bills. I think a few fry cooks even use this service to save them a lot of time paying bills so then can have more time to fry different foods.
 
I still do as much as possible the old way and I'm not a fry cook but you never know. They keep telling me if I work hard I could move up and I wouldn't have to hand them bags out the window no more.
 
I thought it was interesting recently the findings of the investigation into the widely reported "Apple hacking", that ensnared Jennifer Lawrence among other Stars by exposing their personal nude photos, was not a hacking at all. They unwittingly gave their Apple credentials to a phishing scam.

MM
 
As the phone was likely used in commission of a crime, Apple should have stepped up and helped.
The grand trick is how to do it without opening Pandora's Box.

But now Apple wants to know how the DOJ cracked it and I gotta admit, I find that funny as hell.
 
Tonka Boater said:
This is good and bad but the whole thing makes me suspicious. The good -- it's a win for citizens and for companies. The bad -- if true, our phones are clearly not secure. If the FBI or another forensics company figured out how to break the encryption then a hacker will be able to do the same.

Now, the conspiracy theorist in me is suspicious of this move by the FBI. I have hunch that the feds may not have actually gotten into the phone but instead they are spreading misinformation so the bad guys don't rely on Apple products as a safe haven. The feds can probably crack Android devices so they could be intentionally orchestrating this whole story as a means to drive the terrorists to Android by making them think it's more secure than Apple now.
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I think what you've said is partly true. I think the feds have spread the misinformation not only to drive the terrorists towards other phones but also to hurt Apple's bottom line. A financial punishment designed to drive stock prices down as well as drive end users into purchasing other phones since the iPhone is "not as secure" as once believed.
 
northshore said:
As the phone was likely used in commission of a crime, Apple should have stepped up and helped.
The grand trick is how to do it without opening Pandora's Box.

But now Apple wants to know how the DOJ cracked it and I gotta admit, I find that funny as hell.
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I understand that it is "law" the FBI has to share the breech.

MM
 
northshore said:
As the phone was likely used in commission of a crime, Apple should have stepped up and helped.
The grand trick is how to do it without opening Pandora's Box.

But now Apple wants to know how the DOJ cracked it and I gotta admit, I find that funny as hell.
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There's no evidence to suggest this phone was used in a crime. It was simply a phone provided by the terrorist's employer but you can't assume it was used to commit a crime.
 
Tonka Boater said:
There's no evidence to suggest this phone was used in a crime. It was simply a phone provided by the terrorist's employer but you can't assume it was used to commit a crime.
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As soon as the phone records are pulled (which probably happened long long ago) and its discovered that calls were made between those involved, a judge will sign a warrant to tear in to the thing. Whole different level of proof required for that, as opposed to convicting some one of a crime. Also, if the the phone is property of the employer, they can give permission.

Think about getting a warrant to search their house and then say you cant play back the answering machine as there was no evidence it was used in the commission of a crime.
 
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