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The other time I use them is when pulling a wake board or knee board. Depending on the weight of the rider the proper speed is sometimes such that I need the tabs down to keep the boat on plane.

Ha! Yeah, the only time I ever used my trim tabs in my 280 Sundancer was occasionally when I pulled someone on the tube. Running 20 - 25 mph and keeping the bow down. That's when I could literally see the fuel gauge dropping.:smt013:lol:
 
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Ha! Yeah, the only time I ever used my trim tabs in my 280 Sundancer was occasionally when I pulled someone on the tube. Running 20 - 25 mph and keeping the bow down. That's when I could literally see the fuel gauge dropping.:smt013:lol:

Yup, it's the same in the 270. It's become a sport for me to watch the gas guage unwind. But, I bought the boat for my kids and that's what they want to do.:grin: I get something like 1,000 smiles per mile, so its all worth it.:thumbsup:
 
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question : when you pull a water skier do you floor it at the beginning till you get the person out of the water .
The reason i'm asking ,i've never pulled a skier with such a powerful boat . With smaller ski boats you have to give it all you got .
 
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I hardly ever have enough weight on board with the 496 MAG to warrant trim tab use. I rarely touch mine. That being said when you are cruising the more boat out of the water the better. Hence the trim (which the switch is on your throttle) Don't go by gauge but by feel. The gauge has a slight delay and you should learn how she feels anyway. Once you are coming on plane a good rule of thumb is to the bump the trim up for about 2 seconds at the time. If you never increased your trim you will see the boat plowing through the water with water spraying right by the captains chair to your right and left. (this is even with the trim tabs fully up - as I really never touch mine) I am discussing the trim on your stern drive. When you bump it up you should see the spray move more aft as your boat lifts out of the water. The more practice you have you should actually feel your boat "lifting" out of the water. Obviously if there is a large chop or you are going through others wake or the boats starts to bounce too much, just trim it down. If you trim to high you will feel the props cavitate a little. Usually you would then just bump the trim down and all is well.

Practice and feel, practice and feel :)

JL
Thanks , you just answered a number of questions i had .
In choppy water how do you avoid getting sprayed . I always manage to hit a big one once in a while and get drenched .
 
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question : when you pull a water skier do you floor it at the beginning till you get the person out of the water .
The reason i'm asking ,i've never pulled a skier with such a powerful boat . With smaller ski boats you have to give it all you got .

With our 240 I would get the throttle to the stops until the skier popped up and then back off. The first time I pulled my wife behind the 270, I was surprised when my son yelled that she was up, I hadn't even gotten the throttle to the half way point. Part of that is the response of the DTS, but a bigger part is the massive torque developed by the 496.:thumbsup:

The short answer is that they will be up before you can get the throttle to the stop.
 
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With our 240 I would get the throttle to the stops until the skier popped up and then back off. The first time I pulled my wife behind the 270, I was surprised when my son yelled that she was up, I hadn't even gotten the throttle to the half way point. Part of that is the response of the DTS, but a bigger part is the massive torque developed by the 496.:thumbsup:

The short answer is that they will be up before you can get the throttle to the stop.

That's exactly what i thought but my wife is a beginner , after 5 or 6 tries she started complaining that her arms were killing her .
Do you open the throttle progressively or just punch it ?
 
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My wife and kids are very experienced now so I can just pop the throttle to the mid-point and they are up. With a beginner, I would open the throttle a little more gradually.
 
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very good tips,
and i appreciate everything.

i am still waiting for an answer to wassim's question about getting soaked.

because of the low profile and speed of this boat, we more often than not come back looking like soggy dogs. i don't have a problem with that.. because it IS a boat. but i would appreciate some tips about staying dry, while still staying at cruising speed (30+mph)
 
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very good tips,
and i appreciate everything.

i am still waiting for an answer to wassim's question about getting soaked.

because of the low profile and speed of this boat, we more often than not come back looking like soggy dogs. i don't have a problem with that.. because it IS a boat. but i would appreciate some tips about staying dry, while still staying at cruising speed (30+mph)
I'll tell you that normally at cruise we don't have a problem with spray. When I have the drive trimmed up about half-way only the back 1/3 of the boat is actually in the water. If we happen upon the stray 4' or 5' wave and the wind is at a 90 degree angle to us we might get a little spray. Now, if it is really rough out, which happens more than you would think on a lake (our lake can have 3 or 4 foot white caps from the wind alone, add some boat traffic to that and it can get rough), I will extend the trim tabs some to have the bow cut the waves rather than have the hull pounded. Running this way will develop more spray, but the wind has to be blowing across the bow to get the passengers wet.

That's the long way of saying I really don't have that problem.
 
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why why why

my windlass popped the breaker again and my hatch switch broke. so, now i'm left with letting the anchor out by hand (sad story i know) until the new hatch switch arrives.

why wouldn't sea ray put the windlass breaker in the storage area behind the steering wheel?
 
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Okay,
Just a top speed update.

I think something must be wrong. I had two adults and two children on board this evening. No wind. The ocean was flat. Trimmed properly, top speed was 43mph GPS (and that was a struggle).

I forgot to double check, but I think my RPMs were at about 4500-5000? Maybe 4800?

But I feel like with this 496mag, I should be doing 48-52 with the same amount of people.. easily.

By the way, gas was at 1/2 tank at the time (using the best gas available).

Any tips? Should I have the prop replaced? Any info about props?

Also, this is definitely not an issue of buildup on the hull.

Let me know if you have any ideas.

Thanks,
Brandon
 
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If anyone has any thoughts on my previous post, that would be greatly appreciated.

While I'm waiting for a response to that,
I thought I would post another lingering question...

When I pull my windlass anchor up from the dash-mounted controls,
it ALWAYS gets caught up/tangled inside the compartment. Someone HAS to be constantly directing me on bringing it up and stopping and then bringing it up.. this is because it does not set itself properly when it comes up.

I thought the windlass option would make for easy anchoring without any help needed. I guess I thought wrong :p

Anyway, any thoughts would be great! Thanks,
also hoping for a reply on my previous post.
 
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Also,
How do I engage "throttle only" mode?

on the shifter is a button below the "start/stop" button (i don't recall what it says as I never read it) in neutral you press the button and you only have a second or two to engage in "throttle only" mode. otherwise it will revert back to shifting in forward gear. I found in helps to use both hands, left hand on the button and right hand on the shifter to make sure you get a nice fluid quick "press the button then immediately engage the throttle" I think you may hear beeps while it's waiting for you to engage.

I have the same problem sometimes with my anchor. Sometimes it works perfectly and sometimes it doesn't. it is aggravating. if you have a deep spot it can help to let all your line out (or most of it) and let the anchor "untwist" the line, then pull it in. I'm am still looking for a true "fix" to this problem.

On your top speed I wish I could give you a good answer. I am not an expert on props. I mean I understand prop pitches but have never investigated mine since I've never had a problem. The dealer you bought from can't help you with this??? Are you SURE your trim tabs are all the way up?? You can hold both trim tab buttons on the down arrow for 5 seconds to guarantee this (or feel them in the water). My boat stays on a lift so I always see my trim tabs before I leave marina.

You should in no way be topping out at 43 mph. I was on lake yesterday and leaving soon today to head back. I had read your previous post and it requires virtually NO EFFORT for my boat to reach 43 mph. I don't run WOT(wide open throttle) very much. I still have a little ways to go on my throttle when I'm running at 43. We all know speed and throttle is not a linear graph (i.e. - it's easy for me to hit 43 - 46, but I have to push her and trim her perfectly to get that 50 to 50+ speed) and if I'm full of fuel and people with a chop I may never see 50, although I can usually get to 48.5 to 49 gps speed fully loaded down. Your RPM at WOT seems to be right on. Maybe you can discuss this with your dealer. Wish I could be more help on your top end speed.

All that being said I found this boats cruising sweet spot trimmed just right to be 35 - 38 mph running around 3500 RPM's.

JL
 
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on the shifter is a button below the "start/stop" button (i don't recall what it says as I never read it) in neutral you press the button and you only have a second or two to engage in "throttle only" mode. otherwise it will revert back to shifting in forward gear. I found in helps to use both hands, left hand on the button and right hand on the shifter to make sure you get a nice fluid quick "press the button then immediately engage the throttle" I think you may hear beeps while it's waiting for you to engage.

I have the same problem sometimes with my anchor. Sometimes it works perfectly and sometimes it doesn't. it is aggravating. if you have a deep spot it can help to let all your line out (or most of it) and let the anchor "untwist" the line, then pull it in. I'm am still looking for a true "fix" to this problem.

On your top speed I wish I could give you a good answer. I am not an expert on props. I mean I understand prop pitches but have never investigated mine since I've never had a problem. The dealer you bought from can't help you with this??? Are you SURE your trim tabs are all the way up?? You can hold both trim tab buttons on the down arrow for 5 seconds to guarantee this (or feel them in the water). My boat stays on a lift so I always see my trim tabs before I leave marina.

You should in no way be topping out at 43 mph. I was on lake yesterday and leaving soon today to head back. I had read your previous post and it requires virtually NO EFFORT for my boat to reach 43 mph. I don't run WOT(wide open throttle) very much. I still have a little ways to go on my throttle when I'm running at 43. We all know speed and throttle is not a linear graph (i.e. - it's easy for me to hit 43 - 46, but I have to push her and trim her perfectly to get that 50 to 50+ speed) and if I'm full of fuel and people with a chop I may never see 50, although I can usually get to 48.5 to 49 gps speed fully loaded down. Your RPM at WOT seems to be right on. Maybe you can discuss this with your dealer. Wish I could be more help on your top end speed.

All that being said I found this boats cruising sweet spot trimmed just right to be 35 - 38 mph running around 3500 RPM's.

JL

Okay, great, I really appreciate all that you've had to say. I will check with the mechanic about my top speed. Now I know that something is definitely wrong.

What furthers alarms me is that you say 35-38mph = 3500 RPMs for you. For me, 30mph = 3500 RPMs. That doesn't sound right either. What do you think about that? And also, your boat is heavier since I see you have the fiberglass arch option.

Thanks a lot
 
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Okay, great, I really appreciate all that you've had to say. I will check with the mechanic about my top speed. Now I know that something is definitely wrong.

What furthers alarms me is that you say 35-38mph = 3500 RPMs for you. For me, 30mph = 3500 RPMs. That doesn't sound right either. What do you think about that? And also, your boat is heavier since I see you have the fiberglass arch option.

Thanks a lot

yeah, as a guess I would think the sport arch would only make my boat a little slower by a hair so I would definitely talk to your mechanic......

also, coming in today I verified what I quoted you and I do run 35 mph trimmed good at 3500 RPM.

also, I noticed the "throttle only" switch is ABOVE the "start/stop"switch ......

hope you get it all figured out as it is an excellent boat :)

JL
 
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yeah, as a guess I would think the sport arch would only make my boat a little slower by a hair so I would definitely talk to your mechanic......

also, coming in today I verified what I quoted you and I do run 35 mph trimmed good at 3500 RPM.

also, I noticed the "throttle only" switch is ABOVE the "start/stop"switch ......

hope you get it all figured out as it is an excellent boat :)

JL

Okay thanks for double-checking that for me.
We will get in touch with the mechanic tomorrow hopefully so we can see what's going on.

Today we encountered some 15-20 foot swells, so needless to say... we turned back before too long :huh:

Definitely the roughest we've seen with this boat so far. It handled very well, but it was definitely not safe at all in those conditions. It was deceiving because there were only 2-3 footers in protected waters (where we do most of our boating).. but once we cleared all land, it went downhill fast :smt100

On the way back, there was a lot of unavoidable seaweed floating on the surface, and it messed up the prop a bit... the engine got really loud and slowed to about 15mph (from about 30mph)... but as we continued on our track, it got progressively better. Hope that won't be a problem next time we take the boat out.
 
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Okay, great, I really appreciate all that you've had to say. I will check with the mechanic about my top speed. Now I know that something is definitely wrong.

What furthers alarms me is that you say 35-38mph = 3500 RPMs for you. For me, 30mph = 3500 RPMs. That doesn't sound right either. What do you think about that? And also, your boat is heavier since I see you have the fiberglass arch option.

Thanks a lot

A couple of thoughts on your speed:

Could be that the wrong pitched prop set was used.

Verify the drive gear ratio. You wouldn't be the first person who got a "high altitude drive" geared at 2.0:1.0 instead of the normal drive geared at 1.81:1.0. That would be worth checking since your WOT RPMs are dead on at 4,800.
 
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When I pull my windlass anchor up from the dash-mounted controls,
it ALWAYS gets caught up/tangled inside the compartment. Someone HAS to be constantly directing me on bringing it up and stopping and then bringing it up.. this is because it does not set itself properly when it comes up.

I thought the windlass option would make for easy anchoring without any help needed. I guess I thought wrong :p

i had the same question.
http://clubsearay.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19306
.... still haven't got around to fixing the rope.

most every time i'll have someone pull the anchor rope down into the holding compartment once it pass the windlass (keep tension on the line).

also purchased a small mirror to mount underneath the door that covers the windlass. this way i can see what is going on from the drivers seat.

thinking about wiring in another anchor control where the windlass is installed.
 
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i had the same question.
http://clubsearay.com/forum/showthread.php?t=19306
.... still haven't got around to fixing the rope.

most every time i'll have someone pull the anchor rope down into the holding compartment once it pass the windlass (keep tension on the line).

also purchased a small mirror to mount underneath the door that covers the windlass. this way i can see what is going on from the drivers seat.

thinking about wiring in another anchor control where the windlass is installed.

wiring in a control where the anchor is would be nice.... I know there must be a reason they mount it that way in the 270 but I prefer the way it's mounted in the 250 and 290/300.

In my 280 Sundancer it was always nice to be able to see what was going on with my anchor when lowering or pulling in. also on my 280 sundancer it had the footswitches which were wonderful.

I like the mirror trick. Would like a remote switch up there by the anchor as well....

JL
 

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