Searay 190 vs 205, help needed :-)

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  1. sharpsolver

    sharpsolver New Member

    15
    Jan 27, 2018
    Vienna Austria
    Searay 190 SPE (Sport Europe) 2013
    Towing Vehicle: BMW 2016 5 Series
    Merc. 3.0. 135hp Alpha One
    Hi there!
    I introduced myself a few weeks ago and was almost finished buying a 2013 searay 190 with the 3.0 tks engine in really good shape from a friend. The boat looks like new, has run 70hours never saltwater
    "unfortunately" a local dealer offered a 2009 searay 205 with the 5.0 V8 engine with just a slight difference in the price, has run in 370 hours in saltwater but perfectly maintained.
    Any reasons in your opinion not to take the v8? Any known usual problems with that engine especially in combination with saltwater?

    Thx!

    Chris
     
  2. KnotEasy

    KnotEasy Member

    248
    May 14, 2013
    Whitehall, Mi.
    205 Sport
    5.0L MPI
    Our 205 has been a great boat. You will want the V8. Salty boats I usually stay away from,
    unless it has good documentation that it was maintained, flushed properly.
     
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  3. blaster

    blaster Active Member

    May 23, 2011
    potomac river
    2010 sea ray 205 sport
    F150 5.4 xlt 4x4
    Mercruiser 4.3 mpi alpha 1.62
    More information is needed.

    Was the 205 kept in a slip or on a trailer? How salty was the water? Brackish or ocean? Warm or cold water? Was the motor fresh water flushed after use? Have you looked at the boat in person? If so, how does it present? Corrosion, stains, oily bilge, rust?

    How do you plan to use the boat? The extra space and power of the 205 will be a big plus if you take out several people or are really into tow sports. The 190 with that power isn't a speed demon nor will it tow skiers well with more than a moderate load.

    I wouldn't reject the 205 because it was used in salt water. Rather, do your due diligence in researching maintenance records, type of use, and get an engine survey from a marine mechanic.
     
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  4. sharpsolver

    sharpsolver New Member

    15
    Jan 27, 2018
    Vienna Austria
    Searay 190 SPE (Sport Europe) 2013
    Towing Vehicle: BMW 2016 5 Series
    Merc. 3.0. 135hp Alpha One
    Hi! Thx for your instant replies !

    I plan to use it on a river mainly, watersports later when the kids are bigger for the time just bathing and a bit tubing.


    The boat was located in Croatia - >ocean water and has a pretty complete documentation of maintenance. Of course fresh water flush after use is not documented, but the last owner is well known to the dealer. I will have a look at the 205 next week, it looks good on the photos. I will let you know then :) So there are no known issues with the 2009 5.0 mpi v8 or the 2009 205 itself in you opinion ?

    Best regards
    Chris
     
  5. hblock72

    hblock72 Member

    165
    May 11, 2009
    Salisbury, NC (High Rock Lake)
    2007 185 sport w/wakeboard package
    4.3 TKS
    Several people will probably argue otherwise, but I think a 3.0L engine in a 190 that you intend to use for watersports will leave you wanting for more power. If the 205 checks out, I think it will be a better long term solution for you and your family. As is often said on this forum: "Buy your 2nd boat 1st"
     
  6. Espos4

    Espos4 Active Member

    461
    Jan 1, 2017
    Long Island NY
    2007 240 Sundeck
    350 MAG Bravo 3 W/DTS
    Agreed... if the 205 checks out,it would be a better choice.

    Nobody ever said “I wish my boat was smaller and I think my engine is too big”!
     
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  7. sharpsolver

    sharpsolver New Member

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    Jan 27, 2018
    Vienna Austria
    Searay 190 SPE (Sport Europe) 2013
    Towing Vehicle: BMW 2016 5 Series
    Merc. 3.0. 135hp Alpha One
    I agree with that :)
    "buy your second boat first" - never heard before :) :) surely true...
     
  8. MrHappy

    MrHappy Member

    126
    Mar 31, 2011
    Indiana
    1991 Sea Ray 225BR
    5.7L
    If you are spending more than $10,000 I would highly suggest getting a boat and engine survey. Do not ask how I know.
     
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  9. Boatguy49036

    Boatguy49036 Member GOLD Sponsor

    80
    Nov 4, 2017
    Marblehead , OH
    390 Sundancer 2004
    Garmin 7612 XSV
    8.1 Horizons
    8.1 Mercruiser
    You’ll quickly tire of how hard the 3.0 works when trying to use for water sports. Pulling a skier, expect to shift people to the bow to get her on plane. 4.3 V-6 or the 5.0 both better options.
     
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  10. Stingrayaxe

    Stingrayaxe Member

    101
    Oct 29, 2015
    Crystal Lake
    2009 SeaRay 205 Sport
    2008 GMC Envoy
    5.0 Merc Alpha 1
    The 205 with the 5.0 TKS is a 50 mph boat with the stock alum prop. The 5.0 MPI is more rare. That's a 55+ boat. You will be happy with either for your intended purpose. It's been a great boat for me.
     
  11. searay205

    searay205 Member

    52
    Nov 27, 2016
    Houston
    2011 Searay sport
    5.0MPI Catalyst
    Forget about the 190 with the 3.0 TKS. It will be a miserable flaccid dog. The 205 is a great boat. If in fact it has a 5.0 MPI 260hp (very rare) you will love it and never look for more power!!!! It is a beast. If it is a 205 with 5.0 carburetor it will be adequate for most purposes. I have the 5.0 MPI in a 205 and it hits 59 mph with stock prop. I installed a Mercruiser high 5 and now it tops out about 55 but could pull a tree of the shore and plane at about 14 mph and it doesn't matter if I have 2 people on board or 8 people on board you cant tell a difference!!
     
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  12. ZZ13

    ZZ13 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Nov 25, 2009
    Lady's Island, SC
    2001 400 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins 450 Diamond
    I had no problems with a 175 Sport with the 3.0 TKS and four adults and two kids on board. Got up on plane just fine and never felt like a "miserable flaccid dog". But it is a bit smaller of a boat. But the engine was very loud. Really got tired of that noise when going on any little trips.
     
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  13. sharpsolver

    sharpsolver New Member

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    Jan 27, 2018
    Vienna Austria
    Searay 190 SPE (Sport Europe) 2013
    Towing Vehicle: BMW 2016 5 Series
    Merc. 3.0. 135hp Alpha One
    I heard of many people being satisfied with the 3ltr engine in a 175 or a Bayliner 180
    I tried it myself in a Larson 180 an it was okay without the wow effect ...
    The 190 is a bit heavier, if the 205 is not such a beauty as expected, I will surely test the 190 first of course - we'll see
    @Stingrayaxe: it will be the 5.0 mpi, not tks...
    I hope you mean 55+ in mph not in years of the owner :)

    Anyway you are great giving me so many of your opinions, I will see the 205 next week to find out, how good the condition really is and will let you know then!
     
    Last edited: Mar 7, 2018
  14. sharpsolver

    sharpsolver New Member

    15
    Jan 27, 2018
    Vienna Austria
    Searay 190 SPE (Sport Europe) 2013
    Towing Vehicle: BMW 2016 5 Series
    Merc. 3.0. 135hp Alpha One
    @KnotEasy: you wrote your 205 was a great boat why did you sell it?

    Best regards Chris
     
  15. searay205

    searay205 Member

    52
    Nov 27, 2016
    Houston
    2011 Searay sport
    5.0MPI Catalyst
    I still own my 205 with 5.0 mpi and it tops out at 55MPH with the High Five (5 blade prop) I just don't see the 3.0 liter being adequate. I owned one in a 16 foot starcraft for 20 years. If you want to pull a solemn skier you had to shuffle people to front of boat. It would plow to plane. Rest assured it ran correctly. A 190 is much bigger than 16 foot starcraft weighing 2200lbs. It topped out at 43 mph with just me on board and high 30's with 4 people. Just took 4ever to pull a solemn skier up. The 205 will also be much bigger than 190. It will be wider and longer, not just longer. I also would take fuel injection any cay over a fickle carburetor....

    PS my Starcraft was a 1988, entire life in salt water. Just sold two weeks ago. Besides replacing manifolds every 8-10 years it was original outdrive, alternator, block. Never had valve cover off. If boat is flushed after each use i have no issues with salt water boat.
     
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  16. sharpsolver

    sharpsolver New Member

    15
    Jan 27, 2018
    Vienna Austria
    Searay 190 SPE (Sport Europe) 2013
    Towing Vehicle: BMW 2016 5 Series
    Merc. 3.0. 135hp Alpha One
    @searay205

    That sounds pretty convincing :)
    Of interest but not the main issue: how much difference in the mean fuel consumption did you notice between the 3.0 (i guess always around 4000rpm) and the 5.0 ltr engine at most economical rpm?
     
    Last edited: Mar 8, 2018
  17. searay205

    searay205 Member

    52
    Nov 27, 2016
    Houston
    2011 Searay sport
    5.0MPI Catalyst
    The 3.0 liter used little to no gas. I will say the 5.0 mpi uses twice the gas. Then again the 205 is 3100lbs and starcraft was 2200lbs. I bury the throttle at every opportunity so I burn the most. I usually burn 12-13 gallons on the 205 on a full day of boating. That includes pulling tubers, skiers, cruising. I would guess 3-5 gallons per hour of runtime. The starcraft burn was 3-4 gallons per hour. Boating isn't a place to save money, the difference in buring an extra 5-7 gallons of fuel ($13 per outing) is neglible. My buddy had a 496 mag, that burned the fuel..........
     
  18. searay205

    searay205 Member

    52
    Nov 27, 2016
    Houston
    2011 Searay sport
    5.0MPI Catalyst
    I personally never seen a TKS (turn key start) that worked as design. Theoretically you just turn the key like you would on fuel injection. There is a little solenoid the allow fuel in the carburetor. How hard is it to give boat a little throttle? My buddy has a 195 with 5.0 TKS. He always jacking around with float level, runs good hot, but doesn't start hot, starts good cold but doesn't run good cold. My would vapor lock after sitting a couple hours. Carburators are PIA!!! Fuel injection is a dream and mercruisers used it for decades its a proven design.....
     
  19. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    FYI, the 185/190 sport, even though it's heavier, runs BETTER than the lighter 175 (both with the 3.0L). We can't always compare based solely on specs. The hull design was improved for better hole shot and if you've happened to run them, it's actually very obvious. With a light to medium load - 3 or 4 adults and pulling a skier - the 185/190 does quite well... surprisingly well. Now, if you start loading the boat up and want to compare it to the 205 with a 5.0L MPI V8... no comparison. But that's not even close to an "apples to apples" comparison, either. The 205 with a 5.0L MPI is a rocket ship.
     
  20. sharpsolver

    sharpsolver New Member

    15
    Jan 27, 2018
    Vienna Austria
    Searay 190 SPE (Sport Europe) 2013
    Towing Vehicle: BMW 2016 5 Series
    Merc. 3.0. 135hp Alpha One
    Thx again for the loads of information to help a boat newbie, you are awesome :)
     

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