Sea Ray vs....

Discussion in 'Sport Boats' started by ironexecutioner, Aug 9, 2009.

  1. ironexecutioner

    ironexecutioner New Member

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    Aug 9, 2009
    PA
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    How much knowledge did u have prior to purchasing the manuals? Do u do your own maint. Now that u have them?
     
  2. Jack F

    Jack F Active Member

    Oct 3, 2008
    Cape Cod
    2008 240DA,
    Garmin 545s,
    North Star NS100ss.
    MMSI#338093894
    350 Mag Seacore BR3
    This is our 1st boat, we bought it new at the end of last year so it’s still under warranty and will have the marina do the maintenance for now.

    I bought the manual because I would like to do some of the maintenance myself eventually and I think it good to try and understand were things are and how they go together, I don’t have a lot of free time right now though.

    I picked up a lot of info (and laughs) just reading post on this forum.
     
  3. ironexecutioner

    ironexecutioner New Member

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    Aug 9, 2009
    PA
    Boatless
    Boatless
    what octane fuel do you guys run in yours? do you use any addatives or anything in addition to pump fuel?
     
  4. billandamy

    billandamy New Member

    Oct 22, 2007
    Southwest CT
    2008 205 sport. MonsterTower wakeboard tower.
    5.0 mpi (260 hp) alpha one drive with 19p ss prop.
    I believe the gas is regular gas station 89 at the fuel dock. I would give anything for them to switch over to valvtec though.

    I dont put in any additives except during winterization the marina the boat is serviced at adds some stabilizer and some other stuff.

    Best advice I could give you is just change the oil and drive lube more frequently than they say if you are going to be tubing and stuff. Maintain everything at a little earlier than then book says.
     
  5. ironexecutioner

    ironexecutioner New Member

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    Aug 9, 2009
    PA
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    Boatless
    So how much does one notice ~1 ft difference? I was looking through my 2009 book from the Sea Ray dealership.. are there any major reasons I should spring for a select or sundeck instead of a sport? I would probably end up spending more and getting an older model to upgrade to the select or sundeck. Are there enough differences between these models to justify the sacrifice?
     
  6. comsnark

    comsnark New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    NJ Shore
    SeaRay SunSport
    5.7LX
    YOU NEED TO SEE THE BOATS.

    1' of length makes a significant difference in this size range.

    1' of beam is priceless. . .but all the boats in this range will tend to have 8' 6" beams to avoid the need for wide-load trailer permits.

    YOU NEED TO SEE THE BOATS.

    Deck boats (the sundecks) and the Deep V's (the selects) are built very differently. The sundecks are broader up front and therefore the bow seats are far more spacious. The Selects have a sharper bow which improves performance and handling (particularly in rough water), but this compromises bow seating area. The sundecks are so roomy up front, I have seen some with a bow boarding ladder and cockpit table.

    The extent of the difference between Deck Boat and Deep V varies by model year and manufacturer.

    For fair weather trailer boating. . .the sundecks are probably a better choice.

    Not sure what the difference between the selects and the sports are. I suspect trim level.

    YOU NEED TO SEE THE BOATS.

    I tend to prefer used boats over new boats myself. But I am biased, because the new dealers were far less helpful to me, the *customer* than the used boat sellers. And the price is much better :)
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2009
  7. bushway9172

    bushway9172 New Member

    490
    Apr 11, 2009
    Cape Cod, MA
    270 Select EX 2009
    496 Mag DTS
    375 Horsepower
    Bravo III
    I would go for a 1-7 year old Sundeck or Select. A few feet makes a big difference.

    Sundecks are more comfortable/luxurious. Selects are sportier/sleeker. That's my opinion. We've experienced both the Sundeck and Select. The Sundeck was a perfect place to start. The bow boarding ladder is great. Our Select lacks that option. :huh: Also, Comsnark is contradicting himself by mistake... just to clarify, the Sundeck has a larger bow area. The Select has more seating in the rear. Don't get me wrong, you can lounge and spread yourself out on the bow of both boats, the Sundeck is just roomier up there. However, the Select is a deeper boat, as comsnark mentioned. The bow seats in the Select are deeper down, so you feel more protected when riding up there. In the Sundeck, the seats are significantly higher up. I agree that you need to take a look at both boats.

    Look how sharp the bow is on the Select compared to the Sundeck, as well as other comparisons I made above such as the bow seat deepness. Keep in mind, the bow areas look similar in size... but the Select I'm showing you is 4' longer than the Sundeck.

    http://www.searay.com/Page.aspx/pageId/10232/pmid/140231/270-Select-EX.aspx

    http://www.searay.com/Page.aspx/pageId/10232/pmid/140225/230-Sundeck.aspx

    Hope this helps? :thumbsup:
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2009
  8. springer3

    springer3 New Member

    173
    Feb 9, 2009
    Atlanta GA
    1996 215 EC
    4.3 liter Mercuriser LX
    I owned a 10-ft Yamaha Waverunner and a 20.5-ft Sea Ray Seville for the same 8-year period (1998-2006). Typically the adults partied on the Sea Ray while the responsible kids took turns on the Yamaha. I skiied behind both boats. Both did a fine job, and I am not sure what the problem is with the wake. The Sea Ray held 30 gallons of gas, and that lasted for at least four outings. The Yamaha went to port for another 10 gallons several times each outing. Jet pump drives are far less efficient than screw propellers. For the same performance, you will need a much larger engine and burn much more fuel with a jet drive.

    Both boats were a lot of fun for everyone, and gas was practically free back then, so there was no concern over fuel cost. I would think long and hard about future fuel costs if I was buying a boat today.
     
  9. comsnark

    comsnark New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    NJ Shore
    SeaRay SunSport
    5.7LX
    Ah. . .so I did.
    I edited my original post.

    The point I am making is that difference between the selects and sundecks is more than merely the seating arrangment and "style". These differences are obvious when you see the boats. There is also a significant difference in the shape of the hull, which affects basic handling.

    You really won't go wrong with either style.
     
  10. Presentation

    Presentation Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor

    Oct 3, 2006
    Wisconsin - Winnebago Pool chain of lakes
    280 Sundancer, Westerbeke MPV generator
    twin 5.0's w/BIII drives
    If you do that you will end up with no boat. :(
     
  11. ironexecutioner

    ironexecutioner New Member

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    Aug 9, 2009
    PA
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    I did see a select at the dealership, didn't pay too much attention to it due to the substantial price difference. (The only models they had were new for anything I was interested in.) It did look more luxurious for sure. So the select would be a better way to go if planning to use it frequently in the chesapeake? or if I was going to use it AT ALL in the Chesapeake?
     
    Last edited: Aug 13, 2009
  12. comsnark

    comsnark New Member

    Apr 10, 2007
    NJ Shore
    SeaRay SunSport
    5.7LX
    The Chesepeake is a big place. You need to be more specific.

    A boat that is good for "The Cheseapeke" probably won't be very good (i.e. too big) for lakes.
     
  13. ironexecutioner

    ironexecutioner New Member

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    Aug 9, 2009
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    Sorry, probably no more south than annapolis
     
  14. bushway9172

    bushway9172 New Member

    490
    Apr 11, 2009
    Cape Cod, MA
    270 Select EX 2009
    496 Mag DTS
    375 Horsepower
    Bravo III
    I have never been to the waters of the Chesepeake, but like I have said, the bow shape and deep hull of the Select will cut through the waves more purposefully/effortlessly.
     
  15. bushway9172

    bushway9172 New Member

    490
    Apr 11, 2009
    Cape Cod, MA
    270 Select EX 2009
    496 Mag DTS
    375 Horsepower
    Bravo III
    Any updates, ironexecutioner?
     
  16. Knotty Buoy

    Knotty Buoy New Member

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    Jul 12, 2009
    Central Scotland
    200 OV 1991
    4.3LX
    ""The removal and reinstalling of the outdrives.. is that something that occurs with all boats or just larger ones? Something that must be done? If not, what is the benefit?""

    Pulling and refitting the drive on a Mercruiser is marginally more dificult than changing a wheel. Off in ten minutes and back on in twenty. If your thinking in terms of DIY, don't get hung up on this. I pull mine two or three times a year just to check everything's ok.

    As far as fuel costs go, I pay $8 a gallon for gas so the inefficiency of Jets, particularlly a speeds bellow 30mph where 90% of your boating is done, makes them a none starter.
    Check the speeds for the water sports you''re thinking of. Except for serious slalom skiing they'll all be under 30mph (tubing is under twenty).

    I have a twenty foot Searay 200 OV, no-one sleeps in the cuddy but it's handy for getting changed in, gives you somewhere out of sight to leave your gear when you go for lunch and when the weather turns foul it's somewhere to hide. Also, I've had a couple of waves come over the foredeck in very rough conditions that I really wouldn't like to have had to try and pump out (remember water = one ton per cubic metre) so for those reasons I wouldn't entertain a bow rider. Having said that I probably expect more of my boats than most. :grin:
     

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  17. ironexecutioner

    ironexecutioner New Member

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    Still looking daily. Trying to find opportunities to test my options. Might wait until next spring. Hate to buy at prime time, but if I buy used I think I'd be uncomfortable not seeing the boat in action first. Pretty much set on a sea ray though, mfg owes u guys for that one. I have narrowed it down.. I will probably do a 185-205 sport or 210 select, whatever I can find the best deal on. I look every day at listings to see what's new!
     
  18. beernutz

    beernutz Member

    427
    Aug 16, 2009
    Mobile, AL
    2000 190 Signature BR
    5.0L EFI 240 hp Mercruiser
    I don't want to start a war with my first post but I have to dispute the idea that a Yamaha jetboat and wakeboarding don't go together. I'm not going to argue that the Yamaha can throw the same beautiful wake you'll see from a Nautique or a Mastercraft but with a decent ballast system you can have a very nice wakeboarding boat.

    Here is a video of a Yamaha AR230 jetboat with 1700 lbs of ballast weight and 5 passangers with the perfect pass set at 22mph.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JoaNP5ksAJI
     
  19. Hampton

    Hampton Air Defense Dept TECHNICAL Contributor

    Nov 26, 2006
    Panama City, Fl
    2008 44 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSC-500's
    Straight Drives
    Hey, if you know what you're talking about, nobody's going to shoot you down whether it's your 1st post or your 5,000th.
     
  20. billandamy

    billandamy New Member

    Oct 22, 2007
    Southwest CT
    2008 205 sport. MonsterTower wakeboard tower.
    5.0 mpi (260 hp) alpha one drive with 19p ss prop.
    No point in arguing...go over to wakeboarder.com, a site full of wakeboarders, and see what they have to say about jet boat wakeboarding. Go ahead..make a post there. :smt001 Most say it sucks, but of course the ones who OWN the jet boats disagree.

    I can only go by what others have said that I know, and watching jet boat wash. My neighbor Al hit on for me saying the prop wash in the middle is like going over cement. The wake can be changed for sure, but it's shape cant really be dialed in.

    Is it good for general wakeboarding, yea. BUT in a limited way.
     
    Last edited: Aug 17, 2009

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