Sea Ray Interior Veneers/Laminates

Jeremygavin said:
John,
Thanks for working on this. I have now closed on the boat and I have noticed even more delamination than I saw at the survey. I would be interested in buying sheets of it if it is available but would prefer to have an option to have it installed as well so I do t have to track someone down locally that is capable of installing it correctly.
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Fyi, a few years ago I purchased a sheet of cherry for my 2001 410. John was very helpful on sharing instructions on how to replace my old delaminated surfaces. I never had any experience doing this but was willing to try. It turned out beautiful! I sent my write up to john with pictures and he posted them here on this forum. It's well worth the read on how I approached the repair. It actually very easy if you just go slow and take your time with the proper tools. I'll look for the link and try to place it here.

Mark
 
Title: 2001 410 Sundance Cherrywood repair.

June 2015 post.
 
PlayDate said:
A number of you have contacted us so let me give you an update.

Basically, a production run of 50 sheets of light cherry gloss and 50 sheets of dark cherry gloss is required to create a US inventory. 50 sheets per color is the minimum order quantity that they are willing to do. Lignapal is a lacquered finish wood veneer which has some flexibility.

Basically, creating an inventory and customer shipping will be more expensive. We are concerned that US delivered customer pricing would be in the $850-900 per sheet range.....which is pretty expensive.

CNYBoater- I appreciate your suggestions. Our wholesale agreements with Nuvacor are focused on the global Marine market. We have a great relationship with them and we are a very small part of their Global Sales. Restoration Marine was founded to keep the Sea Ray 1990-2004 Nuvacor laminate finishes available to boat owners, mechanics, Marine Max and Sea Ray. The product we carry is an exact match for the finishes that Sea Ray used during that period. It is by definition a niche, repair focused market. We have sold the laminates to refinish other manufacturers boats but most boat owners simply want something repaired....they don't want to change finishes.

That brings us to your broader play question. Our concern about a broader play is what happened to Ultrawood. Ultrawood was a broad based play of selling Lignapal finishes to anyone in the US. To make that work in the laminate business you have to sell to cabinet manufacturers that will use your finish. Those manufacturers are the ones who build new cabinets for boats, planes, RVs, homes and offices. If Ultrawood could not make that happen in the last 5 years in the US.....it raises a concern about their price points and where those cabinet manufacturers are actually located.

In closing....we will probably work something out with them for the repair market but it may take another month of so of discussions. Even then we still have concerns about exact finish and color matching when stain and wood are involved.

Best,

John
Restoration Marine
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Any updates?
 
Still stuck on funding a production run of the material. 50 sheets each of two colors will probably give us an inventory for 100 years plus or minus 10. :)

The challenge is the material was used for 5 model years and the colors are specific to Sea Ray. That limits the wholesale/resale market dramatically.

If we could get a production run of 20 sheets of each color....that could work. We are still working on it.
 
mistercomputerman said:
Is there any solution to repairing the existing product? Maybe remove chipping clear resin and replacing the clear?
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Unfortunately, when it chips the actual wood veneer comes off with the resin leaving the substrate. While it may be possible to repair it with a combination of filling/staining/clear coating.....I have never seen it done with Lignapal. That said, someone who is used to repairing fine furniture probably could make it look acceptable for the darker finishes.

You may be right about this approach for those model years. As it stands today, we aren't any closer to a production run deal for the finishes. Without a laminate supply....creating a repair kit may be an answer.
 
PlayDate said:
Many of you have contacted Restoration Marine about laminates used by Sea Ray on cabinets from 2004 models on. For most of these boats, Sea Ray used Leeuwenburgh Fineer BV out of Norway. Their manufacturing process creates a real wood veneer on a polycarbonate substrate. We do not stock these laminates although we have tried to build a relationship with Leeuwenburgh.

I received a notification today from an executive of Leeuwenburgh Fineer that Ultrawood, their US distributor, has gone out of business. We recently referred at least 30 CSR members to them and their phone number and email went dead last week.

While this may present a business opportunity for us it is really complicated by high cost of off-shore manufacturing, shipping, inventory requirements and reshipping costs. Further, the material requires skilled woodworkers for installation which have been equally hard to identify.

Of specific concern is that there is not an existing inventory of material stock used on Sea Rays for us to purchase. In fact the only US stock (limited finishes) is with Sea Ray and some at FPmarine (very limited). Leeuwenburgh indicated that Restoration Marine would have to fund production runs (50 sheets for each finish) to reproduce the material used on Sea Ray models which would be a material financial investment for us. Boat manufacturers are a small part of the their global business.

I'm posting this so that CSR members have the latest information and that those members who reached out to us understand the situation. As it currently stands, existing material in inventory can still be ordered through your Sea Ray dealer.

-John
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John, Hi.
I read your post and figured you might just be the guy that could tell me what you think and what it is exactly behind my wall and ceiling covering.
I have an 88 345 Sedan Bridge. I am interested in doing Some upgrades to make her a little “not outdated”. Open her up a bit “Brighten” her look inside and out.
My factory interior is a blue puffy type of plastic/ wallpaper is my best description.
You see by my description I am hoping you know exactly what it is. Also, what is behind it? Is there a foam that is causing the puffy look and feel? if it is or if it is something else, what is then behind it? Wood, fiberglass?
And also, the roof or ceiling especially in the salon area, the factory interior now is almost like a type of blue carpet. What is behind that material?

My vision or plan is to remove what ever the materials are, on the walls and the ceilings.
To then replace with like a white formica or a laminate or what ever you suggest or what ever I find that is modern, light, possibly ads insulation, and thin. If I eliminate a quarter inch all around her insides, maybe she will feel a little bigger inside? ;)
Im up for any suggestions or ideas. Maybe you know something or someone that has done the same?
Thank you much,
Appreciate any knowledge you may have or any direction you think I should go.
Brian
 
PlayDate said:
Restoration Marine was founded to keep the Sea Ray 1990-2004 Nuvacor laminate finishes available to boat owners, mechanics, Marine Max and Sea Ray. The product we carry is an exact match for the finishes that Sea Ray used during that period.
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When I was looking for the Bird's Eye Maple that is in my '98 there was none available...?
 
The Bill Collector said:
When I was looking for the Bird's Eye Maple that is in my '98 there was none available...?
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We have had numerous requests for Light Birds Eye Maple over time and it is the only finish for those model years that is No Longer Available. As to why.....it has to deal with the original color formulation and digital grain design. I offered to send the manufacturer a sheet of it when we stocked it so they could scan and replicate it but they felt the color match would still be a problem. We sold the last stock we had of Birds Eye Maple in 2006 to a boat owner in Texas.
 
PlayDate said:
We have had numerous requests for Light Birds Eye Maple over time and it is the only finish for those model years that is No Longer Available. As to why.....it has to deal with the original color formulation and digital grain design. I offered to send the manufacturer a sheet of it when we stocked it so they could scan and replicate it but they felt the color match would still be a problem. We sold the last stock we had of Birds Eye Maple in 2006 to a boat owner in Texas.
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Thanks... I ended up taking my aft stateroom closet door and harvesting a piece out of the center for a missing drawer in the master that was stolen in a burglary. The hole in the closet door was hidden with a mirror.
 
Is there an update on the Dark Cherry? The edges on my cabinetry are deteriorating quickly as we use the boat a lot and with the kids and my wife not being as careful of the edges as they need to be it is getting chipped as a lot of the edges where "loose" when I bought the boat. I am willing to spend what I need to buy the sheets so count me in for 3-4 sheets of dark cherry if you can source it.
 
Jeremygavin said:
Is there an update on the Dark Cherry? The edges on my cabinetry are deteriorating quickly as we use the boat a lot and with the kids and my wife not being as careful of the edges as they need to be it is getting chipped as a lot of the edges where "loose" when I bought the boat. I am willing to spend what I need to buy the sheets so count me in for 3-4 sheets of dark cherry if you can source it.
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Jeremy,

Nope. Still stuck trying to get the numbers to work. The SR finishes are a custom order from the manufacturer in Norway. I have received a number of contacts from owners with the same issue.

I also remain very concerned about the ability to actually replace damaged panels and not end up in the same place a few years from now. In the case of Vitricor, the adhesive was the problem. In the case of Lignapal, the real wood veneer will continue to be a problem which is one of the reasons SR used it only for 5 years.

We have had several boat owners, dealers and prospective buyers just say: "How much to get rid of this stuff and put in a new finish?" Two have actually pulled the trigger and bought the high gloss Nuvacor dark Executive Cherry that we stock to redo their boats. Both used local woodworking contractors to do the job. The advantage of the Nuvacor material is that it will never chip, and is very easy to install and maintain. That is definitely an upgrade and only takes about a 7-10 days to complete for larger Sea Rays.

The other option that I have only seen once is to replace the Lignapal veneer with wood veneer and color match the stain and gloss. This is a major job. Spraying lacquer on board a boat gets EVERYWHERE and it takes serious experience to get it right.

The Nuvacor Dark Executive Cherry is not an exact match for the Lignapal High Gloss Dark Cherry which for some owners is okay since they are redoing the boat.
 
is the high gloss cherry light or dark. I have a full sheet of 165 light cherry
 
P22 said:
Does anyone have a sheet of high gloss cherry 165 that they would part with?
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is it the light cherry or the dark cherry I have a full sheet of the light that I would sell. Mike 630 878 4399
 
Which version of the high gloss dark cherry would I have on my boat? 2006 48da?
 
Think the same as me
lignapal dark cherry 164
 
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