SCOTUS reject Texas

[Woody]

What part of Pfizer did not participate in operation Warp Speed, other than to sell their independently developed Vaccine to the US via it, do you misunderstand? Pfizer developed their vaccine on their own with no input, financial or otherwise, from the US Government.

Ya, they're so big that they were able to do that. Even after development they have a head start in production capability. But most important I'd think is that they were able to keep the intellectual property all theirs.

Going back to last spring though, when no one had an answer....it would seem to me that Warp Speed putting billions into R & D of several companies had to have spurred the competition in the search for a vaccine.

 

[Woody]

It's only because of Pfizer apparently. I know where you are. You're lucky to get Amazon deliveries.

Dang...I'm more surprised there's any bars open for you to get drinks.
When I was up there a couple weeks ago, only place I could get a beer was at Adventures until 8pm, outdoors. Ended up at my buddies townhome/condo in Pikes Bay.

Your friend right there looking down at the marina? I don't live there Ollie, I'm about 2hrs south. I store my boat up the road from Pikes Bay in the winter but slip it over on the Keweenaw Peninsula for the summer.

 

[OllieC]

Your friend right there looking down at the marina? I don't live there Ollie, I'm about 2hrs south. I store my boat up the road from Pikes Bay in the winter but slip it over on the Keweenaw Peninsula for the summer.

Ahh....For some reason I thought you were up that direction other than the boat. Yup. His place is right as you pull in on the left. He has a nice Amberjack there.....well it's wrapped now.

 

[Henry Boyd]

Ya, they're so big that they were able to do that. Even after development they have a head start in production capability. But most important I'd think is that they were able to keep the intellectual property all theirs.

Going back to last spring though, when no one had an answer....it would seem to me that Warp Speed putting billions into R & D of several companies had to have spurred the competition in the search for a vaccine.

No question on both your points. Regardless of who got to the finish line first it is all money well spent. I am sure that like money spent on the Apollo Moon project there will be further advances that will come from the Warp Speed funded research in other areas of medicine.

 

[Henry Boyd]

Trump has done a good job of coming in second.

Too soon Prof

 

[Henry Boyd]

Thank You Donald Trump

With the exception of a $2B contract with FDA approval.

July 22: HHS announced up to $1.95 billion in funds to Pfizer for the large-scale manufacturing and nationwide distribution of 100 million doses of their vaccine candidate. The federal government will own the 100 million doses of vaccine initially produced as a result of this agreement, and Pfizer will deliver the doses in the United States if the product successfully receives FDA EUA or licensure, as outlined in FDA guidance, after completing demonstration of safety and efficacy in a large Phase 3 clinical trial, which began July 27th.

Ollie,

That's a purchase agreement for a product after it is a legal product. It is also a product that Pfizer could sell to anyone in the the world on a moment's notice. So in this case it is one more reason to be thanking Pfizer. If that contract had not been made there would be no vaccine in the US now.

 

[OllieC]

Ollie,

That's a purchase agreement for a product after it is a legal product. It is also a product that Pfizer could sell to anyone in the the world on a moment's notice. So in this case it is one more reason to be thanking Pfizer. If that contract had not been made there would be no vaccine in the US now.

10-4 ...... and if not for OWS, nor would the infrastructure be in place to deploy it "Warply".

 

[Iprof]

Too soon Prof

Lmao you still believe Trump will win, now that's funny or do you think he's not doing a good job of coming in second?

 

[Henry Boyd]

10-4 ...... and if not for OWS, nor would the infrastructure be in place to deploy it "Warply".

Fedex and UPS have jets in the air every day. The cold chain requirements of -90 degrees F sound nasty, but its no worse than frozen blood products. Blood is cryo frozen because it can be done without damaging the red blood cells and extends the shelf life of whole unadulterated blood to something like six weeks. Otherwise it has to be deconstructed into plasma and other components.

Shortly after Desert Storm I worked on a research project funded by the DOD to design a cold chain system for frozen whole blood where the target was -120 Degrees F. The cold chain was doable then for the military, so today with better technology that certainly exists it would be difficult but certainly not impossible.

The big challenge today is less the keeping it cold and more making sure a load does not get misplaced. Although the "fridges" at the hospitals are special, the actual shipment is a cardboard box with foam liner with dry ice packed around it. Dry Ice evaporates at the same rate so the limiting factor is getting the stuff from point A to point B before its gone.

 

[Henry Boyd]

Lmao you still believe Trump will win, now that's funny or do you think he's not doing a good job of coming in second?

No and Yes, I think if I got the double negative right. And while I did set you up for that response, in retrospect it might be too soon to be universally appreciated.

 

[Iprof]

No and Yes, I think if I got the double negative right. And while I did set you up for that response, in retrospect it might be too soon to be universally appreciated.

Putin congratulated Biden today on winning so Biden must have won, Russia says so.

 

[OllieC]

Fedex and UPS have jets in the air every day. The cold chain requirements of -90 degrees F sound nasty, but its no worse than frozen blood products. Blood is cryo frozen because it can be done without damaging the red blood cells and extends the shelf life of whole unadulterated blood to something like six weeks. Otherwise it has to be deconstructed into plasma and other components.

Shortly after Desert Storm I worked on a research project funded by the DOD to design a cold chain system for frozen whole blood where the target was -120 Degrees F. The cold chain was doable then for the military, so today with better technology that certainly exists it would be difficult but certainly not impossible.

The big challenge today is less the keeping it cold and more making sure a load does not get misplaced. Although the "fridges" at the hospitals are special, the actual shipment is a cardboard box with foam liner with dry ice packed around it. Dry Ice evaporates at the same rate so the limiting factor is getting the stuff from point A to point B before its gone.

On a slightly different note. I saw this a few weeks ago. Never pulled the trigger on it because of Astra Zeneca. https://marketrealist.com/p/dry-ice-stocks/

 

[Henry Boyd]

Putin congratulated Biden today on winning so Biden must have won, Russia says so.

Still too soon prof

 

[Iprof]

Can you imagine if Trump had of conceded all the fun we would have missed and all the excuses he would have for the rest of his life.
@Henry Boyd Putin can't be wrong he decides all our elections.

 

[Henry Boyd]

On a slightly different note. I saw this a few weeks ago. Never pulled the trigger on it because of Astra Zeneca. https://marketrealist.com/p/dry-ice-stocks/

Yeah, if other vaccines weren't expected to be be less temperature sensitive, dry ice suppliers could be a good investment. I'm sure they'll be temperature sensitive, just more in line with things like food products. By rights all pharmaceuticals should be shipped in temperature controlled environments because general shipping conditions can be down right really nasty.

 

[Golfman25]

Ollie,

That's a purchase agreement for a product after it is a legal product. It is also a product that Pfizer could sell to anyone in the the world on a moment's notice. So in this case it is one more reason to be thanking Pfizer. If that contract had not been made there would be no vaccine in the US now.

No it is not. It allowed them to up their manufacturing and get distribution in place WHILE testing and approval was being done. That’s why we have vaccine today and not a few months from now.

 

[Golfman25]

Fedex and UPS have jets in the air every day. The cold chain requirements of -90 degrees F sound nasty, but its no worse than frozen blood products. Blood is cryo frozen because it can be done without damaging the red blood cells and extends the shelf life of whole unadulterated blood to something like six weeks. Otherwise it has to be deconstructed into plasma and other components.

Shortly after Desert Storm I worked on a research project funded by the DOD to design a cold chain system for frozen whole blood where the target was -120 Degrees F. The cold chain was doable then for the military, so today with better technology that certainly exists it would be difficult but certainly not impossible.

The big challenge today is less the keeping it cold and more making sure a load does not get misplaced. Although the "fridges" at the hospitals are special, the actual shipment is a cardboard box with foam liner with dry ice packed around it. Dry Ice evaporates at the same rate so the limiting factor is getting the stuff from point A to point B before its gone.

The challenge is going to all corners of the US at the same time with the extreme cold delivery.

 

[Iprof]

When the government buys a vaccine isn't it up to the government to dispense it. Why would anyone expect the manufacturer to arrange for distribution and injection?
They give the government the parameters needed to keep the vaccine safe and usable the government then figures out the logistics.

 

[M Prod]

I knew I shouldn’t have come and read this thread before bed. Now I’ll need an Advil to get to sleep.

 

[Henry Boyd]

The challenge is going to all corners of the US at the same time with the extreme cold delivery.

On a less time sensitive basis, USPS does that most days of the week. But then even if someone is a day’s travel from mail pickup and groceries, aren’t they safer staying out in the boonies? Seriously though, in some areas people may have to go to dedicated spot to be vaccinated.