Remote Monitoring

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  1. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    Nice way to think about alarms! As a note the tone/type of sound can be changed in the ALM100. The ALM100 also has a LED that illuminate when in alarm. I have one that is mounted under the solon sofa toe kick area and the light illuminates the carpet on the floor. That alarm, for example, is programmed to emit different sounds for an anchor drag than for a bilge pump coming on.
    As an edit - I also have a separate piezo alarm with LED also located with the ALM100 under the solon sofa that is triggered through the Garmin MFD's; I have found this useful (I sleep better at night) when anchoring in questionable locations and keep the radar operational (MARPA), minimum depth triggering, AIS, etc.
     
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  2. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    I should note that the data provided on the NMEA 2000 network through the Vessel View/Smartcraft network is not assigned to an instance (at least that I can determine) - that has to be done in the Maretron system and Garmin displays (in my case) to monitor.
     
  3. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    Instances can be confusing when multiple devices report the same PGN and how they should be or can be handled. One way is to handle them as device numbers, like you are doing. Another is to layer them like N2K was designed to do, but is more confusing in my opinion, and might not be warranted to be used that way in every system. But what I was talking about is this, temp probes also have a "type" associated with them, so the type is also used with the instance. Meaning instance 4 can be assigned to all temp probes that also have a different type. If you had 2 cabin temp probes then they would have to have different instance numbers assigned to them. By using the instance numbers this way there can be 256 temp probes for cabin temperature alone instead of 256 total device in the system. Does that matter to us, nope, but for mega-yachts and cruise ships it does. There are other PGN's that work this way as well, but because of that, instancing works this way.

    Type is defined by the table below. But that's not to say you have to use them this way. There are many more type then just these, this is just what Yacht Devices YDTC-13 supports.

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  4. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    I am not that familiar with VV or SC. Except they are based on J1939 engine data parameters. J1939 in the beginning only referred to a single engine and didn't know about other engines so it only reported engine temperature without an instance because there was only one engine and there for could only have one temperature, one engine oil pressure. When VV and SC came about and started integrating other non-engine parameters into the mix, I am not sure what they did to accomplish that. Only that when it's converted to N2K it does have an instance number. It may be defaulted to 0 or 1 or 2, typical engine instances, but that is just a guess.
     
  5. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    Yeah this is the case where instances are fantastic and make sense. But the ALM100 also uses types, just not in a confusing way, with how it has different sounder types. So the instance numbers are more like device numbers in this case.

    I am using the DCR100 for alarms mostly. When were on the hook for a few days I wanted a way of be notified when we were low on water way before we ran out, but didn't want loud beeps to go off. So I took a channel form the DCR and ran it to two places, one at the helm and one at the electric panel. But is only a yellow light no sound. That way warnings can be shown but not hear and be handled as such. I also did the same for alarms with an alert sounder flasher so thigs like anchor drag and high water light up the boat and make a racket. I did that instead of running an N2K cable everywhere for alarms. I am using four conductor wire so that I wouldn't stretch the N2K total cable lengths past it's limits.
     
  6. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    Tom, How do you use MARPA while anchoring? Don't the targets move to much at night when the boat swings? I have used ELB alarms and had false alarms. I totally get being prepared for sleeping better while on anchor. I actually try and anchor out on the edge of the anchorage field and use a stern anchor when possible, otherwise I am up every 1-2 hours checking on things ...
     
  7. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    My bad - EBL alarm.
     
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  8. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    Yes "EBL" not ELB - Dam dyslexia gets me every time.
     
  9. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    There is another great option for remote monitoring, the Garmin OnDeck hub. It also has five digital switched inputs for remote on/off capabilities. It operates through Active Captain as well so I guess Garmin has bigger plans for AC. It does require a subscription to access it remotely. But all in all it looks like the best option out there for accomplishing remote monitoring.
     
  10. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    So I looked into this a bit more and spoke with Garmin Tech. and man what a disappointment that was. Hopefully things will change as this product matures but right now I don't know how anyone would even use it easily.

    I was told the following, from your device (phone) active captain is how it communicates to with OnDeck, ok no big deal. But your phone has to connect to either the Garmin Marine Network through an MFD or the OnDeck device itself through WiFi direct connect (like the MFD's). It can not be connected to the boats internal wifi and if remote monitoring is being used you must activate and use the internal cell modem. It will not report remotely through wifi, only their cell modem. So maybe after a few FW updates things will change a bit.

    On a side note, I was told you can connect the GMN to your boats ethernet and everything should work fine! SO that would mean Active Captain would be on the regular network and make life a whole lot easier when updating through AC. I am going to try this out and see how that works. But that would mean the OnDeck device would work a little better if that's an option.
     
  11. bobeast

    bobeast Dance the Tide SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 22, 2017
    Isleton, CA
    2002 310DA
    350 MPI w/V-drives
    Please do report back if the ethernet thing works. I currently access the hub through its cell connection but have found control of the relays to be hit or miss. I'd guess it would be a lot more robust if it were accessible through the boat's network.
     
  12. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    No worries, I totally will. It's just going to be a while until I get around to doing that. I had tried it out a while back with no joy. But after thinking about how the MFD's boot, I probably tested this wrong. So I will now spend some time trying this out.
     
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  13. ttmott

    ttmott PhD in OCD TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 3, 2012
    Space Coast Florida
    2006 52 Sedan Bridge
    Cummins QSM11
    I have had zero luck connecting the GMN to the boat's network router and getting anything to talk. We tried swizzling the IP addresses and a host of other IT tricks but no joy. Actually when we changed the boat's IP addresses to the same as Garmin uses it locked up the Garmin MFD's. We even tried ethernet cables 568A to 568A and crossover 568A to 568B. That was when I was trying to integrate the boat's IP cameras into the Garmin system.
     
  14. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    Yep I agree, I also saw the same thing and why I mentioned having to power the MFD on last, but not sure if I tried that or not. In speaking with the tech, he said he is N2K certified, so I am giving this another shot because he also said, he is working from home and said he can see his home network. I should have asked how that was accomplished but let it go. Meaning how he saw his home network on the MFD as to my knowledge there isn't a network browser.
     
  15. alnav

    alnav Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Sep 16, 2009
    West River, MD
    40 MY
    QSB 425
    I have played with this over the years. My first Garmin MFD's were 82XX series which came without wifi and I wanted to use Bluechart/Garmin Helm which were just being deployed. The wifi adapters Garmin used to sell were hard to find. I actually got everything to work using a CradlePoint router set to an address of 172.16.6.3 and was able to connect and use the apps including Garmin Active Captain when it replaced the older apps while the LAN remained on the internet.
    But, when I upgraded to 86XX MFDs things got harder. They appear to have an upgraded software base which likely includes changes to their IP scheme. I did play with connecting via my new PepLink router and a managed switch. I was able to get a rudimentary connection and could see Garmin devices on the router admin site but no usable connection. Given the built-in wifi of the new MFDs the imperative went away and I didn't spend much time on it.
    Orlando, I'm going to send you my notes, maybe you can build on my experiments.
     
  16. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    here is a pic from my simple system with motion detection it’s a Foscam VZ4 PTZ…. The camera is hard wired to the Pepwave SOHO router… mounted on an access plate for the anchor light on the hard top…. I can see 360 deg

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  17. SKybolt

    SKybolt Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Nov 11, 2014
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    Now that's a much nicer pic then my Foscam R4 PTZ. But I do keep it set on FD for data usage. Either way very nice indeed!
     
  18. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    Night vision is very good as well
     
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  19. bobeast

    bobeast Dance the Tide SILVER Sponsor

    Oct 22, 2017
    Isleton, CA
    2002 310DA
    350 MPI w/V-drives
    Did you have to punch ports through and use dynamic DNS? I can't get my Foscam through my t-mobile hotspot to save my life.
     
  20. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    No …I have an peplink app on my phone that connects to the router and from there I sign into a local WiFi ….. what’s really nice is it remembers the various marinas and restaurants you go to and auto hooks up…
    With this setup everyone just has to connect to the boats hotspot.
     

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