Redistribution of someone else's wealth

At Ease said:
Not voting is not the answer. Think of all those service men and women who died to give you the right to vote! I don't like the choices either, but that is a cop out in my book!!!
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So I should jut vote just to vote, even if I vote for a leader I feel will suck. Got it.

The people who died to give me the right to vote also gave me the right to not vote. They also gave me the right to say they both suck.

As much as the people who died for this country gave us rights, it sure didnt work for having representatives who are actually representing us...kind of sardonic, no?

"Here is your freedom to vote for the lesser of two evils"

Fantastic.
 
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billandamy said:
So I should jut vote just to vote, even if I vote for a leader I feel will suck. Got it.

The people who died to give me the right to vote also gave me the right to not vote. They also gave me the right to say they both suck.

As much as the people who died for this country gave us rights, it sure didnt work for having representatives who are actually representing us...kind of sardonic, no?

"Here is your freedom to vote for the lesser of two evils"

Fantastic.
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most countries in the world don't give you squat. Exercise it. If you don't vote because you don't like either, then how is the bar going to be raised for future elections?
 
TurtleTone said:
most countries in the world don't give you squat. Exercise it. If you don't vote because you don't like either, then how is the bar going to be raised for future elections?
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Explain how the bar is to be raised if everyone just votes to vote?

Perhaps if more people actually have enough balls to say I am not voting this year, or the next until candidates who have our country's best interests are put forth, then maybe things will change?

What if NO ONE voted this year? What if we all write on our ballots: "Both choices are terrible?"

I will not vote for a lesser of two evils again. I want a candidate I can believe in.

I fail to see how voting just to cast a vote, or just to toe a political party is helping our country at all.
 
billandamy said:
I will not vote for a lesser of two evils again. I want a candidate I can believe in.
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Dumb question, instead of throwing away your right to vote why don't you just write in who you want At least your vote would be counted. :huh:
 
billandamy said:
So I should jut vote just to vote, even if I vote for a leader I feel will suck. Got it.

The people who died to give me the right to vote also gave me the right to not vote. They also gave me the right to say they both suck.

As much as the people who died for this country gave us rights, it sure didnt work for having representatives who are actually representing us...kind of sardonic, no?

"Here is your freedom to vote for the lesser of two evils"

Fantastic.
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I can tell you never spent a day in the military! Why not write in who you want? At least you exercise the right to vote, which is not something people in other country's can do...Just my opinion...take no offense...but I have little respect for those who don't vote!
 
At Ease said:
I can tell you never spent a day in the military! Why not write in who you want? At least you exercise the right to vote, which is not something people in other country's can do...Just my opinion...take no offense...but I have little respect for those who don't vote!
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At Ease,

I have to say it again...right on...Amen!:smt038
 
Not to confuse this thread with any facts, but. . .

http://www.barackobama.com/taxes/ said:
  • Middle class families will see their taxes cut – and no family making less than $250,000 will see their taxes increase. The typical middle class family will receive well over $1,000 in tax relief under the Obama plan, and will pay tax rates that are 20% lower than they faced under President Reagan. According to the Tax Policy Center, the Obama plan provides three times as much tax relief for middle class families as the McCain plan.
  • Families making more than $250,000 will pay either the same or lower tax rates than they paid in the 1990s. Obama will ask the wealthiest 2% of families to give back a portion of the tax cuts they have received over the past eight years to ensure we are restoring fairness and returning to fiscal responsibility. But no family will pay higher tax rates than they would have paid in the 1990s. In fact, dividend rates would be 39 percent lower than what President Bush proposed in his 2001 tax cut.
  • Obama’s plan will cut taxes overall, reducing revenues to below the levels that prevailed under Ronald Reagan (less than 18.2 percent of GDP). The Obama tax plan is a net tax cut – his tax relief for middle class families is larger than the revenue raised by his tax changes for families over $250,000. Coupled with his commitment to cut unnecessary spending, Obama will pay for this tax relief while bringing down the budget deficit.
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Note the consistent use of the word "family".

If I understand the current tax tables correctly, the two tax brackets currently kick in at $150/182K (single/married) and $326K income. It would be my prediction that if you are in the top two brackets. . you will pay more. The 25% bracket currently kicks in at $72/120K (single married). The pessimists among us might bet those folks would get hit too.

The John McCain website was very murky on the issue of non-corperate taxes. I saw a (brief) reference to eliminating the AMT. . but that was about it. One could add some comments about health insurance. . .but we are having enough fun as it is. :)
 
So if Obama were to cut taxes for"most" families, but raise taxes on the top 2% of individuals, and raise taxes on corporations, who would then raise prices to "us", would any of us really be better off? I'm confused....
 
tmhudson2 said:
And this point supports Bill's point about voting the man versus voting the party. It was Richard Nixon (R) whose administration introduced us to the Earned Income Tax Credit as well as reintroducing (for a while, until they proved that thet weren't working) wage and price controls as a means to fight inflation.

We need to elect people to public office who are both smart, have common sense, and have the welfare of all the country in mind and not just enough interest groups to get just enough votes in just enough jurisdictions to win.
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We need to elect people to public office who are both smart, have common sense, and have the welfare of all the country in mind..
You'll not find one individual in politics(past, present or future) that will meet all these qualifications.
 
I've tried to stay out of this political BS about taxes but it really fries me that this clown comes along and wants to "restore fairness" and raise my taxes. I've been getting up at 5:30 AM every morning for about 40 years and working 50-60 hours a week and this guy wants me to be fair and pay more. My tax bill every year is more than my family budget for living including running the boat. If this guy wins and the Congress really goes ahead and raises my taxes, I will stop working at my job and start working to shelter every asset I have in some sort of tax free investment. To hell with him and the horse he rode in on.
 
Well since I quoted from the Obama website earlier. . .

John_McCain said:
Cut The Corporate Tax Rate From 35 To 25 Percent: A lower corporate tax rate is essential to keeping good jobs in the United States. America was once a low-tax business environment, but as our trade partners lowered their rates, America failed to keep pace. American workers deserve the chance to make fine products here and sell them around the globe.

Allow First-Year Deduction, Or "Expensing", Of Equipment And Technology Investments: American workers need the finest technologies to compete. Expensing of equipment and technology will provide an immediate boost to capital expenditures and reward investments in cutting-edge technologies.

Source: http://www.johnmccain.com/Issues/JobsforAmerica/smallbusiness.htm
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As I understand it, the real issue for small buisnesses is depreciation. Most other "profits" can be expensed into compensation for employees (i.e. the owner) (Please feel free to correct me on this).

Obama talks about eliminating Capital Gains for small buisnesses. . .which I suppose helps. . .but I am not sure how.

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But honestly. . the government just signed up for an UNBUDGETED and UNPAID FOR $700B economic bailout plan. Who on earth expects a tax break after that maneuver? Supposedly, we will "use the money smartly" and "make a return on it". . .but that sure as heck won't happen in the short term. . if ever.

I think the scariest thing about this current economic crisis is that the government has learned that it can borrow a *heck* of alot more than it thought it could.
 
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