Personal Protection while on the hook

[trit21]

How about pepper spray, taser or something like that. Most of these types of weapons you still need a permit to carry but if you are not carrying them, they would work well in this type of a situation if a firearm was not involved. Check you local ordinances because some states allow them, some do not.

 

[JV II]

I’d like to hear everyone’s opinion on this and also suggestions on a different type of weapon that might be stored on board.

This sh!t should buy you some time.

http://www.udap.com/

 

[Sherman Moore]

Well I guess I need to put my 2 cents in. I carry ALL THE TIME. Luckily I have been in Law Enforcement for 30 years and I trained my kids and grandkids about guns. First lesson when they were young and at the first question about daddy's (or paw paw's) gun, off to the range with the kiddos. Here I busted a one round the kids had no ear protection and the boom got thier attention. From this they learned respect. I can tell first hand, you never want to be in a gun battle with a knife, stick or pepper spary. I train on a regular basis to be able to protect my self and others. I suggest everyone to google Sheep, sheep dogs and wolves I am a sheep dog.

 

[Alex F]

...you never want to be in a gun battle with a knife, stick or pepper spary. I train on a regular basis to be able to protect my self and others.

Thanks for your response. If you recall, in my post I was referring to situation "For example (again, assuming that the attacker doesn’t draw a gun or doesn’t have it)" and wanted to shifted focus slightly to other ways for defense. There are number of people who don't want to be involved with guns, but train on a regular basis and have confidence in protecting themselfs. Regardless of my level of experience I totally agree with you that if there's a gun involved it's way too risky to attempt anything, unless you're trained in special forces. This is where I have to obey and do what I was told until I see the window of opportunity to improve my situation.

 

[kg4vgh]

Kdawg.....lower ches here, Norfolk / hampton area.....I carry regardless of being on the hook or not.....have a 45/70 rifle and handgun.....been through a couple of in water inspection by both the CG and locals......none have had a problem with it.....as long as the are made aware before hand....

I totally agree Sherman....but we in the mid-west see guns a bit differently.....I'm a Colorado Transplant, now in VA.....but like you...my Daughter was also educated in firearms at a young age....now 24 she owns her own and is passing the info on to the grandkids...
hope that helps

Alex.....if there is someone on your boat uninvited and at night...you should already be in self defense mode....not self preservation....most likely they are drug users, looking for a commodity to trade for cash.....you then become expendable and what they call ...a witness....it's a shame we have digressed to that point in this country....and granted...some areas are safer than others....but when family is at risk....err on the side of safety

 

[Cleatus Jo]

You are alive... the culprit is dead.. don't worry about trouble with johnny law. the alternative is much worse

 

[jpk33]

Sat idle after numerous visits to this thread -Don't even think of using a flare gun! It will hit the bad guy and deflect - these are NOT high power rounds (12ga - 25mm a little different story). They are NOT accurate (barrel lenght is 3" at best) and will strike the bad guy and bounce off, it may strike you, a loved one and is almost certain to start your boat on fire (think vinyl, canvas, foam rubber etc...) Oh and the BG is between you and the cabin door now you are trapped :wow: - the only hope you have with a flare gun is in direct contact with the bad guy (his face)- and it still may not penetrate. At this point you better be grabbing the filet knife! If you feel the need to protect your family and yourself, by all means DO! But do so with forethought not after thought. My .02 - Jeff

 

[JV II]

Sat idle after numerous visits to this thread -Don't even think of using a flare gun! It will hit the bad guy and deflect - these are NOT high power rounds (12ga - 25mm a little different story).

May hit the bad guy. May. Probably won't. You have one shot during an adrenaline rush.

At this point you better be grabbing the fillet knife! If you feel the need to protect your family and yourself, by all means DO! But do so with forethought not after thought. My .02 - Jeff

Not a good option either, unless you have the ability, power and nerve to go ear to ear. You can get several stabs in and the BG will continue at you for a good 30 minutes until he bleeds out. Guess what can happen in that time. Some would argue that a .38 round is ineffective because it did not stop the Moro insurgents in the Phillipines from cutting off the heads of US soldiers after they were shot.

 

[jpk33]

JV II, I agree with you 100% - maybe I didn't make myself clear - but any confrontation in a boat (at least of the size we deal with on this site) is going to up close and personal - there really is no retreating to safety. ANY weapon is preferable to no weapon at all - its just that flare gun issue is a NO WIN. The biggest concern with firearms is what happens if a) you over-penetrate your target or b) you miss. So if one decides to go that route (as many have) you have to have the mind-set to use deadly force (not just wave it around to scare the bad guy away as some have said). This is serious and this is my HOME!

 

[Mfortune]

Kdawg,

We have been boating on the bay for years, and know a lot of people who travel all around the bay. I believe that it is smart to think ahead and to be prepared to protect yourself and family. However I have never been a part of, or heard rumor of a situation that requires the level of defense discussed here. So, I would say to you be prepared in a way that you feel completely comfortable with the responsibility of whatever protection you choose, while having enough protection to be able to let yourself RELAX and ENJOY the Cheaspeake - it is a great resource!!

 

[sprink56]

I ALWAYS carry a Mossberg plated 12Ga Pump Shotgun with OO buckshot and Rifled Slugs, a Stainless Ruger .44 Magnum Carbine and a Stainless Smith and Wesson Mod. 29 44 Magnum.

I carry permits for all and have concealed weapons permits.

Once you have had some one try to take your boat away from you on open water...you learn what works.:thumbsup: On the open ocean between here and the Bahamas, a pirate will buzz you to see how vulnerable you are. Then they make a second pass to see what you might have. Usually once they see the long guns in the day time they leave....at night the 12 Ga makes a hell of a flare in the dark as a warning. If they make a third run at you...lay about 4~5 rounds of 44 mag across thir bow and they have had enough....looks like a concrete block hitting the water. If they get stupid you can take out an engine with the magnum from 1000 yards or sink a boat with a few slugs from 100 yards.

Some boater approaching you at high speed as a single boat on open water isn't coming over to sing "Jesus loves me".Murphy was an optimist.

John F.

 

[Presentation]

Move along.

Nothing to see here.

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[JV II]

I ALWAYS carry a Mossberg plated 12Ga Pump Shotgun with OO buckshot and Rifled Slugs, a Stainless Ruger .44 Magnum Carbine and a Stainless Smith and Wesson Mod. 29 44 Magnum.

I carry permits for all and have concealed weapons permits.

Once you have had some one try to take your boat away from you on open water...you learn what works.:thumbsup: On the open ocean between here and the Bahamas, a pirate will buzz you to see how vulnerable you are. Then they make a second pass to see what you might have. Usually once they see the long guns in the day time they leave....at night the 12 Ga makes a hell of a flare in the dark as a warning. If they make a third run at you...lay about 4~5 rounds of 44 mag across thir bow and they have had enough....looks like a concrete block hitting the water. If they get stupid you can take out an engine with the magnum from 1000 yards or sink a boat with a few slugs from 100 yards.

Some boater approaching you at high speed as a single boat on open water isn't coming over to sing "Jesus loves me".Murphy was an optimist.

John F.

And... you just made the beer party.

 

[sprink56]

"And... you just made the beer party."

Truthfully I prefer a good Single Malt Scotch....neat.

 

[LTD.330]

To quote Woody: "That cool Hollywood sh-t is liable to get you killed someday."

44 Magnum at a 1000 yards. Shooting from a moving platform at a moving platform and making reliable hits at 1000 yards is impossible. Disabling an engine is pure fantasy.

 

[Alex F]

...On the open ocean between here and the Bahamas, a pirate will buzz you to see how vulnerable you are. Then they make a second pass to see what you might have. Usually once they see the long guns in the day time they leave....at night the 12 Ga makes a hell of a flare in the dark as a warning. If they make a third run at you...lay about 4~5 rounds of 44 mag across thir bow and they have had enough....looks like a concrete block hitting the water. If they get stupid you can take out an engine with the magnum from 1000 yards or sink a boat with a few slugs from 100 yards.

On a serious note, is this a real issue while crossing to Bahamas?

 

[sprink56]

To quote Woody: "That cool Hollywood sh-t is liable to get you killed someday."

44 Magnum at a 1000 yards. Shooting from a moving platform at a moving platform and making reliable hits at 1000 yards is impossible. Disabling an engine is pure fantasy.

A hit on an engine at a 1000 yards is a stretch...but it probably would put a hole in a fiberglass hull.

Honestly...the bark that .44 carbine puts out on open water has turned a few fast center consoles away from me and others in the 'stream between here and West End.

The .44 will drill an engine from about 25 yards...I've done it.

Then if things get really bad....

#1: Barrett M82 .50 caliber rifle

....you can always resort to plan "B"

John F.

 

[sprink56]

On a serious note, is this a real issue while crossing to Bahamas?

If you are alone as a single boat...yes. Larger boats are desirable for human smuggling....it's a bigger business than drugs.

 

[1stSeaRay]

Love the .44 magnum, but even in a carbine its really a sub 100 yard round at best. That said hitting anything further away than that with a shoulder fired weapon from a moving sport boat is highly unlikely......coupled with the "poop your pants" factor of that big ass chunk of lead whizzing around and its not bad choice.

If you are really serious about pirate defense, you'll get a nice deck mount .50 cal (belt-fed of course) and load up the belt with tracers and API rounds!

I ALWAYS carry a Mossberg plated 12Ga Pump Shotgun with OO buckshot and Rifled Slugs, a Stainless Ruger .44 Magnum Carbine and a Stainless Smith and Wesson Mod. 29 44 Magnum.

I carry permits for all and have concealed weapons permits.

Once you have had some one try to take your boat away from you on open water...you learn what works.:thumbsup: On the open ocean between here and the Bahamas, a pirate will buzz you to see how vulnerable you are. Then they make a second pass to see what you might have. Usually once they see the long guns in the day time they leave....at night the 12 Ga makes a hell of a flare in the dark as a warning. If they make a third run at you...lay about 4~5 rounds of 44 mag across thir bow and they have had enough....looks like a concrete block hitting the water. If they get stupid you can take out an engine with the magnum from 1000 yards or sink a boat with a few slugs from 100 yards.

Some boater approaching you at high speed as a single boat on open water isn't coming over to sing "Jesus loves me".Murphy was an optimist.

John F.

 

[Woody]

I ALWAYS carry a Mossberg plated 12Ga Pump Shotgun with OO buckshot and Rifled Slugs, a Stainless Ruger .44 Magnum Carbine and a Stainless Smith and Wesson Mod. 29 44 Magnum.

I carry permits for all and have concealed weapons permits.

Once you have had some one try to take your boat away from you on open water...you learn what works.:thumbsup: On the open ocean between here and the Bahamas, a pirate will buzz you to see how vulnerable you are. Then they make a second pass to see what you might have. Usually once they see the long guns in the day time they leave....at night the 12 Ga makes a hell of a flare in the dark as a warning. If they make a third run at you...lay about 4~5 rounds of 44 mag across thir bow and they have had enough....looks like a concrete block hitting the water. If they get stupid you can take out an engine with the magnum from 1000 yards or sink a boat with a few slugs from 100 yards.

Some boater approaching you at high speed as a single boat on open water isn't coming over to sing "Jesus loves me".Murphy was an optimist.

John F.

:smt043 If they're 3,000ft away maybe they ain't really pirates. Dude, you could be ruining someones fishing. The 44mags trajectory would look like a weak pee off the swim platform, kind of like a bullet falling out of the sky. You might bruise somebody with that 44mag and piss them off.