Personal Protection while on the hook

No Name Sea Ray and No Thanks Dad,
Thank you for the local advice and sticking to answering my question. I appreciate the words of wisdom and the reassurance that we should feel safe enjoying ourselves with our new venture. We are in the Kent Island area quite a bit and plan on trying out Mears Marina for our first "at the dock" over nighter. Hope to meet some of the local CSR members this summer.
KDawg
 
Four Suns said:
As you state, the "Castle Doctrine" is state dependent. Gun rights are being taken away state-by-state right now...

If you live in Virginia, the Castle Doctrine law was defeated a few months ago.

http://www.nraila.org/legislation/read.aspx?id=5513

Someone can kick your door down and if you point a gun at them and DO NOT shoot, they can call 911 and have you arrested... How nice...
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Then you better shoot not point...
 
Wow!!
This has turned out to be an interesting thread for such a simple little question. Thanks to everyone for the input, it has been informative and entertaining.
Good luck to all this summer!!
Thanks,
KDawg
 
KDawg,

Look me up or shoot (no pun intended) me a PM when you plan on stopping at Mears Great Oak Landing. I'm in slip B-63 and there are other CSR members at this marina as well.

Happy Boating


KDawg said:
No Name Sea Ray and No Thanks Dad,
Thank you for the local advice and sticking to answering my question. I appreciate the words of wisdom and the reassurance that we should feel safe enjoying ourselves with our new venture. We are in the Kent Island area quite a bit and plan on trying out Mears Marina for our first "at the dock" over nighter. Hope to meet some of the local CSR members this summer.
KDawg
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AndreasW said:
Your PA carry permit is no good in MD and NJ on land or on water. you can check this out: http://www.nraila.org/recmap/usrecmap.aspx

You might be able to bring a gun locked in a case with the ammunition in a separate box with you on the boat, but that is not that useful:smt021
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Yes I'm with you, painfully aware that none of the contiguous states honors the PA permit. Just hoped with all this boat/gun talk someone out there might know of a federal law saying navigable waters are not governed by local laws on this issue. Guess I'll just have to keep relying on my flare gun until they pass a law for navigable waters like they did for the national parks.
 
NoThanksDad said:
KDawg,

Look me up or shoot (no pun intended) me a PM when you plan on stopping at Mears Great Oak Landing. I'm in slip
B-63 .

Happy Boating
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Just knock 1st :grin:
 
I used to carry for my job. It wasn't fun and after having 3 weapons pointed at me I will tell you I never drew my weapon, because I was in the 'surprised' position. I'm a locksmith and even though the bank tells you the reposessed house is vacant it always isn't. I was able to get into a house with high security locks through a window. The curtain draw, once I dropped inside I heard the sound of a shotgun "CHIK CHIK". The lady said I had better get the "F" out of her house. I apologized and went out the window as fast as I did in High school at my girlfriends house. I damn near punched the Bank officer in the driveway who hired us. Just because you carry doesn't mean you have a chance to use it.
I won't tell/advertise if I carry with us or not on a public forum, but I will say that where I boat someone would be a fool to attempt an invasion or to be a pirate.
 
lawndoctor said:
Yes I'm with you, painfully aware that none of the contiguous states honors the PA permit.
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The laws are a mess in this area.

I have an OH permit.

PA does not recognize reciprocity with OH.

NH, however, has reciprocity with PA.

NH surprisingly issues out-of-state permits for $25 for 5 years via mail.

I have a OH permit and a NH out-of-state permit.

I can carry in PA now.

I have never been to NH.
 
Sua Sponte said:
The laws are a mess in this area.
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Being in PA feels like the maze in The Shining:
- VA and WV accept PA.
- DE and OH don't accept PA, but accept VA or FL
- PA residents can get VA or FL permits.
- MD only accepts MD, which non-residents cannot get.
- NFW in NJ, NY, and DC.
 
obama is about to crush your right to own a firearm anyhow.......
 
KDawg said:
We recently purchased a 240 Sundancer and plan on spending nights on the hook and in marinas. We will mostly be around the Kent Island area but could end up anywhere from Chesapeake Beach up to the Sassafrass.
Would like to know if you guys up in this area carry personal protection (handgun) while spending the night on your boat and if anyone has had any threatening situations.
Thanks
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Ok here is a real simple answer to the original question. You do not need to carry a gun on board while boating in out beautiful Chesapeake Bay!... A snow shovel may help, but fire arms not needed.
 
I've alway found that a shot gun is always the best protection for boat or home protection. The sound of the shot loading is enough to make you poop!
 
Some people are just not capable of protecting themselves or their families. These people should never have a gun because the thief will break in and steal it or worse, take it away and use it against them. I would advise someone like this to rely on the police or hire private security, and never go out at night. They should have a safe room in the house and a very expensive security system.

The other person who should never have a gun is the one who thinks that having it will intimidate or deter an assailant.
 
Jumping into a thread that has gone way off track.....

Kim & I both have carry permits. Neither of us carry anywhere. As Doug brought up earlier, we stay away from any place we might feel even remotely unsafe. Our firearms are for our personal protection at home. There is not a day that goes by that I don't read about yet another home invasion in our city.

What many people don't realize is the vast majority of these invasions are carried out by kids addicted to drugs. Once they're on this stuff they don't care about you, the police or themselves. They are afraid of nothing. Their only mission in life at that moment is to secure financing for their next fix. You are no longer dealing with a rational human being.

I pray that I don't ever feel like I have no more options.
 
Don't forget about your flare gun. When carried on your boat as part of your emergency preparediness gear, it is certainly legal in all fifty states and equally lethal if you were ever confronted by a situation that put you and your families life in danger.
 
Flare guns are legal in NYC? I don't think they are legal in all 50 states... and they are not a "required" item on a boat so any state/city can be jerks and outlaw them (as some have).
 
To quote Woody: "That cool Hollywood sh-t is liable to get you killed someday."

While a flare gun may be a last resort tool, do not rely on it. Penetration of the projectile is iffy at best and you'll most likely set your boat on fire. This also brings us back to Rule 1.
 
Not sure which Rule 1 you were referring to: Bring a gun to a gun fight or don't go to places that are unsafe get out of harms way rule 1.

So for those people that say I don't go to places that are dangerous or I will leave those places when that happens, sometimes you don't have that choice and the only choice is to survive. Especially on a boat. When in the cabin you are in a confined space with only one entry and one exit for the most part. If you are anchored or even at the dock there is almost no way to retreat from an attack. " Mr. bad guy, hold on a second while I fire up the engines and get away from here." Life doesn't work that way. I am not saying everyone here should have a firearm, just by reading some of these posts I am glad some of you don't. I choose to protect myself and family, you can choose to run but sometimes that is not an option.

I don't purposely put myself in bad situations but sometimes the bad situation put themselves in your path.
 
This is great and informative thread. However, it started with the assumption that the situation requires a hand gun. Does it mean that every, or at least majority of threatening situations have guns involved? Doug had made recommendations to carry fish bat or baseball bat. So, if we assume that the situation doesn’t start at the gun point but rather follows the “escalation path” I think it would be a good idea to discuss other possible solutions before we choose the deadliest weapons. For example (again, assuming that the attacker doesn’t draw a gun or doesn’t have it):

  • Verbal – there’s always a chance to end the situation verbally. Sure the chances are very slim, but the chance is there.
  • One could be in good physical condition to defend his family and the boat.
  • If a basic hand combat is not looking like a good idea, then escalating to the choice of other weapons is the next step. So, what are the alternative weapon choices?
    • fish bat or baseball bat
    • a knife
    • flare gun
    • spear gun

I’d like to hear everyone’s opinion on this and also suggestions on a different type of weapon that might be stored on board.
 
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