Outboards on big Searays?

Discussion in 'Sport Boats' started by Arminius, Mar 3, 2021.

  1. GypsmJim

    GypsmJim Active Member

    437
    Aug 8, 2018
    Western New York
    '19 SPX 190 OB, 150 & 5 Mercs
    '17 Whaler 150 Montauk
    '15 Yamaha FXHO
    '60 Mulray Dinghy
    '52 Lyman 15'
    Mercury 150 4-stroke
    68 Outboards representing 11 manufacturers
    In our 53 years of boat ownership we have had inboards, tiller outboards, inboard/outboards and even a jet. Our current 2 daily drivers both have 4-stroke Mercury outboards. To say we are thrilled would be an understatement.

    I will never go back. Of course, I don't want a dinghy, but if I did I would find a way. The modern outboards are just too good a deal to pass up.

    Of course. just my opinion...
     
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  2. Chip S

    Chip S Active Member

    318
    Jun 17, 2019
    Bordentown, NJ
    1993 Sea Ray 200 Overnighter
    1993 Mercury 150 hp Black Max Outboard
    The Mercury Verado 300 hp outboard already has a CARB 3 star rating (ultra low emission). I doubt it would ever need a catalyst.
     
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  3. blaster

    blaster Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    May 23, 2011
    potomac river
    2010 sea ray 205 sport
    F-250 CCLB 6.2 4x4 3.73 rear.
    Mercruiser 4.3 mpi alpha 1.62
    My 4.3 MPI had a carb 3 rating in 2010 and it was one of the last before carb 5 rating obtained with a catalyst was required.

    I’m no expert on these things as money was the motivating factor for not getting a 2011.
     
  4. Todd320

    Todd320 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jul 21, 2016
    St. Petersburg, FL
    2007 Sea Ray 320DA
    Twin V-drive 5.7L 350 Horizon
    We should compare apples to apples, I think the cost of an inboard plus stern drive is similar to the cost of a new outboard. The labor is insanely different. The maintenance is insanely different. Compared to a V-drive, you have relatively solid transmission, shaft + seals, rudders, struts and cutlass bearings. But those latter parts will need maintenance/replacement eventually and some of it is quite costly.
     
  5. Stee6043

    Stee6043 Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    West Michigan
    1997 Sundancer 400
    7.4L Gassers
    I mean...I never said I didn't love outboards :)

    I'm a big fan of outboards on my Sea Ray so long as they are attached to a separate boat! Aside from the cost debate, which I'm clearly losing, I just can't see owning a cruiser without a tender. It's the single best upgrade I've made to either Sea Ray I've owned...we use it all the time.

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  6. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
    Setauket, NY
    Back Cove 37
    AB Ventus 9VL
    Cummins QSC 8.3 600
    We use our tender every weekend. Granted, it’s usually the kids buzzing around the harbor, but it gets a ton of use.

    It’s hard to do this with outboards.
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    That little bit of real estate at the back of the boat provides us a huge amount of entertainment. Outboards just cut into rust too much for us. But those fold out sides that make a “beach” or “patio” are very interesting. Only works when not rafted up though.
     
  7. Arminius

    Arminius Active Member

    387
    Oct 30, 2019
    Seattle
    Bowrider 200 Select, 2003
    5.0L MPI, 260 hp w/Alpha 1 Drive
    From owners who use them!
     
  8. Todd320

    Todd320 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jul 21, 2016
    St. Petersburg, FL
    2007 Sea Ray 320DA
    Twin V-drive 5.7L 350 Horizon
    Maybe you don’t need a tender if you can anchor in 2 feet of water...??
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  9. b_arrington

    b_arrington Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Feb 21, 2007
    Setauket, NY
    Back Cove 37
    AB Ventus 9VL
    Cummins QSC 8.3 600
    Seems like an edge case for our type of boating. Our dinghy uses are more for picking mussels, exploring harbors, anchoring / mooring out and going into "town", sending the kids off for an an adventure so the adults can talk without sibling bickering, taking the kids out so my wife has some quiet time, etc. To me, lots more uses for dinghies than close-in beaching.

    We regularly have 8-ish foot tidal swings. We'd soon be hard aground if we were that close to shore - outboard or not. Maybe not such an issue in St. Petersburg with a smaller tidal range?
     
  10. Todd320

    Todd320 Well-Known Member GOLD Sponsor

    Jul 21, 2016
    St. Petersburg, FL
    2007 Sea Ray 320DA
    Twin V-drive 5.7L 350 Horizon
    Yes, much smaller range in Tampa/St Pete, 2-3 feet, regardless I personally would not anchor like that, definitely Regal just showing the flexibility, but I don't think it would be practical (I would anchor my 23' deck boat with an 11" draft like that and I would still constantly check the tides and position, much more relaxed from an anchoring perspective when in 5 feet of water!). Of course, in the end, to each his own, but the Aquila 36 really looks good to me, still has the swim platform, about 6' between the engines, and 2 smaller ones to each side (not to mention you can sit on the engines, they make great seats, especially in white...), and enough room to hold an 8' dinghy. Can hold 20+ people comfortably, and sleeps 4, 6 if you close off the salon. Pair that with a diesel gen, and you are good to go...
     
  11. Arminius

    Arminius Active Member

    387
    Oct 30, 2019
    Seattle
    Bowrider 200 Select, 2003
    5.0L MPI, 260 hp w/Alpha 1 Drive
    So Regal is selling outboard packages too. My compliments to the photographer! I thought financially troubled Searay might be saving money raising general quality concerns. Times should be good now for all RV builders, including boats. Get them out the factory door faster with a forklift hanging outboards on the big bathtub in the parking lot.
     
  12. copb8tx

    copb8tx Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 26, 2008
    Lake Texoma, TX/Port Richey, FL
    2005 420 Sundancer w/T-8.1S Horizons
    2011 Four Winns H240 w/Volvo 8.1 DPi
    Everyone is doing it. I think if you don't offer mid-sized day boats/express cruiser with OB's you're going to be left behind. Here's Formula's 38' competition. Money is actually quite close to SR in price once you option it upload_2021-3-4_11-4-12.png up and that doesn't bode well for SR's success.

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  13. GypsmJim

    GypsmJim Active Member

    437
    Aug 8, 2018
    Western New York
    '19 SPX 190 OB, 150 & 5 Mercs
    '17 Whaler 150 Montauk
    '15 Yamaha FXHO
    '60 Mulray Dinghy
    '52 Lyman 15'
    Mercury 150 4-stroke
    68 Outboards representing 11 manufacturers
    They ALL are. Read a current boating magazine - of the 40 or so ads and tests, 36 are outboards. We went to the FLL boat show last year. Surely, none of the million dollar 150 footers had outboards, but of the 1400 boats in the show I think I saw maybe a half dozen sterndrives.
     
  14. spikedaddy99

    spikedaddy99 Well-Known Member PLATINUM Sponsor

    Jun 11, 2008
    Prentice, Wi
    2005 500 DB
    QSM-11
    How long or how much weight will be too much for outboards?

    Edit: nevermind. Formula has a 50' with quad 600's on it.
     
  15. Phil S

    Phil S Active Member

    266
    Oct 16, 2020
    Massachusetts
    2004 300DA
    5.0 Merc B3
    I was surprised to see Formula offering a 500 with OBs.
     
  16. copb8tx

    copb8tx Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 26, 2008
    Lake Texoma, TX/Port Richey, FL
    2005 420 Sundancer w/T-8.1S Horizons
    2011 Four Winns H240 w/Volvo 8.1 DPi
    Those new 12 cylinder outboards are impressive!
     
  17. Arminius

    Arminius Active Member

    387
    Oct 30, 2019
    Seattle
    Bowrider 200 Select, 2003
    5.0L MPI, 260 hp w/Alpha 1 Drive
    Thirsty!
     
  18. Blueone

    Blueone Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 24, 2007
    Lake Erie, Ohio
    2004 420 Sundancer
    Cummins 6CTA 450's
    Then they blow it by putting the handles there
     
  19. copb8tx

    copb8tx Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jan 26, 2008
    Lake Texoma, TX/Port Richey, FL
    2005 420 Sundancer w/T-8.1S Horizons
    2011 Four Winns H240 w/Volvo 8.1 DPi
    If you can afford 'em you probably don't care that much.

    You watch, after a couple of years they'll tune them up to 700+hp
     
  20. Pirate Lady

    Pirate Lady Well-Known Member

    Jun 2, 2020
    Chesapeake, Middle River
    91 250 Sundancer, gorgeous, no you can’t buy it.
    454 Bravo 1.
    I don’t see how that setup allows the O/B to tilt up. Explain for me advantage to me.
     

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