Outboard motor- sun deck pros/cons??

Discussion in 'Sport Boats' started by Buttercup, Jun 24, 2019.

  1. Buttercup

    Buttercup New Member

    21
    Jul 11, 2013
    Moneta, Virginia
    2008 Sea Ray 210 signature Fission
    350 Mag, Bravo III, DTS
    I’ve owned two boats; a ‘94 SeaRay 200 select, and my current ‘08 210 select Fission. Both with 350 engine.
    So, all I know is I/O bowrider.
    I’m looking to trade up to a 23-25’ model. We will be buying used, probably 2012-2014 model years.

    We live lake front in Virginia. My wife and I are both now semi-retired, affording us more time year round to enjoy boating. During the summer months we entertain a lot of tubing & wake boarding family members, we also spend a fair amount of time just cruising. The just cruising time is why we would like a bit larger boat... mostly for a smoother ride.

    I don’t know anything about outboard motors, except they don’t require winterizing... allowing us to cruise around on a pretty January day!

    I also don’t know anything about sundeck hulls, but I see more of these on the water than bow riders.

    So, what configurations should we be considering? Any input is greatly appreciated!
     
  2. CNYBoater

    CNYBoater Active Member

    197
    Aug 14, 2017
    1994 200 Overnighter, Single Axle Easy Load'r Galvanized Trailer, 2009 Chevy Trailblazer
    Single 1994 Mercury Black Max V135 O/B
    Here in Central NY, my outboard requires winterizing, but I have a '93 2-stroke. Some of the new 4-strokes I've seen ads for have features that make the winterizing so easy that supposedly you can run it on a fair weather day, and re-winterize. I'm not sure if it's true or just a marketing gimmick though.

    I personally prefer outboards. Your point of spark is moved outside of the boat, making it slightly safer in that regard. It is also easier to work on in my opinion.
     
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  3. Stee6043

    Stee6043 Well-Known Member

    Jun 1, 2015
    West Michigan
    1997 Sundancer 400
    7.4L Gassers
    You mentioned water sports. Are you willing to substantially give up your swim platform? To me this is the number one consideration for OB's. Just about everything else is a no-brainer in favor of the outboard.
     
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  4. Buttercup

    Buttercup New Member

    21
    Jul 11, 2013
    Moneta, Virginia
    2008 Sea Ray 210 signature Fission
    350 Mag, Bravo III, DTS
    Hmmm, I’ll need to check on the winterization thing!

    The swim platform is a big deal to us... the kids are all over the sun pad, swapping riders and wrangling gear. Our boat is busy maybe 5 or 6 weekends and usually one whole week each summer being used for slinging kids around. Probably another 10-15 hours during the spring and fall it’s just the two of us and occasionally adult guests, just cruising. When I really think about it, we probably wouldn’t use the boat more than 2-3 times between Thanksgiving and April.
     
  5. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    An outboard still needs to be winteized for extended layups. However the block doesn't retain water like a stern drive does so there is no fear of an engine block cracking from freeze damage.
     
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  6. ygbsm

    ygbsm Member

    72
    Aug 22, 2016
    Knoxville, TN
    2015 230 SLX
    350 Mag/ Bravo III
    I've got a 230 SLX and two boys, 7 and 9. The swim platform is great for water sports, and just watching the kids swim in the cove. I don't think I could go OB, even though it has several advantages over I/O.

    It rides pretty nice, but a 25 footer should ride even better.
     
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  7. Todd320

    Todd320 Well-Known Member

    974
    Jul 21, 2016
    St. Petersburg, FL
    2007 Sea Ray 320DA
    Twin V-drive 5.7L 350 Horizon
    I have had outboards all my life and will switch back once I find the right boat with outboards and a cruiser! Of course, I’m in salt, and the differences are probably less important in fresh. I’ve seen boats with wrap around swim platforms with outboards, so if the swim platform is important, see what else might fit the bill. We used to pull tubes all day long and the tube would just become the swim platform in between runs.
     
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  8. CNYBoater

    CNYBoater Active Member

    197
    Aug 14, 2017
    1994 200 Overnighter, Single Axle Easy Load'r Galvanized Trailer, 2009 Chevy Trailblazer
    Single 1994 Mercury Black Max V135 O/B
    https://www.regalboats.com/feature/...x/attachment/wrap-around-swim-platform-26obx/

    This Regal has a wrap around swim platform. I'm sure if you can't do without it an aftermarket could be made up. I've small decks on either side of my splash well the kids can kick there feet in the water from.

    There is also aftermarket towbar made specifically for outboards that's rather fun. Link below, no affiliation.

    https://turboswing.com/
     
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  9. GypsmJim

    GypsmJim Active Member

    192
    Aug 8, 2018
    Western New York
    '19 SPX 190 OB, 150 & 5 Mercs
    '17 Whaler 150 Montauk
    '15 Yamaha FXHO
    '60 Mulray Dinghy
    '52 Lyman 15'
    Mercury 150 4-stroke
    68 Outboards representing 11 manufacturers
    I ran outboards for a long time, and then switched to an I/O because it was cool and everybody had them. That was the era that OBs were declining.

    Two years ago I sold my second boat - a fishing rig - and bought a Boston Whaler with a 4-stroke fuel injected OB. That was all it took. This year we traded the family boat I/O for a new Searay OB. The difference is outstanding. Quieter, faster, smoother, less fuel usage and an overly awesome engine. We've had 4 bangers and V-6's in the past, but this new Merc 150 has less vibration and noise than a V-8 Bravo 3.

    I still have a swim platform on both sides of the engine. Regardless, that's not an issue for us. The issue is that winterizing my old I/O was a 3-4 hour ordeal (in the driveway), vs. 20 minutes (in the garage), so I'm not encumbered by weather.

    And did I mention that I don't have to suck oil out, poke vents to drain water, add anti-freeze, nor have to worry about gimble bearings, u-joint lube, and thankfully those godawful bellows.

    Look at the ads and tests in any boating magazine. 20 years ago, no outbords were in view. 10 years ago, maybe 10%. My last magazine showed 85% of the boats were OB equipped. Nuff said.
     
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  10. Todd320

    Todd320 Well-Known Member

    974
    Jul 21, 2016
    St. Petersburg, FL
    2007 Sea Ray 320DA
    Twin V-drive 5.7L 350 Horizon
    This one from an Aquila 32 drops all the way into the water (and notice the steps that auto extend down as well), or lifts up quite a ways, when up, you can tilt the engines out of the water.
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  11. Buttercup

    Buttercup New Member

    21
    Jul 11, 2013
    Moneta, Virginia
    2008 Sea Ray 210 signature Fission
    350 Mag, Bravo III, DTS
    Thanks for all the great information on outboard and I/O differences.

    What’s are the differences in bowrider and sun deck hulls?
     
  12. CNYBoater

    CNYBoater Active Member

    197
    Aug 14, 2017
    1994 200 Overnighter, Single Axle Easy Load'r Galvanized Trailer, 2009 Chevy Trailblazer
    Single 1994 Mercury Black Max V135 O/B
    In my understanding, the difference is in the hull shape and seating. Also, the sun deck is equipped to ease beaching and disembarking from the bow.
     
  13. Buttercup

    Buttercup New Member

    21
    Jul 11, 2013
    Moneta, Virginia
    2008 Sea Ray 210 signature Fission
    350 Mag, Bravo III, DTS
    I’m wondering how the Hull shapes difference might impact the ride. The water here gets very chopped up when the lake is busy... wales from every direction!
     
  14. GypsmJim

    GypsmJim Active Member

    192
    Aug 8, 2018
    Western New York
    '19 SPX 190 OB, 150 & 5 Mercs
    '17 Whaler 150 Montauk
    '15 Yamaha FXHO
    '60 Mulray Dinghy
    '52 Lyman 15'
    Mercury 150 4-stroke
    68 Outboards representing 11 manufacturers
    For the boats I have looked at, the sundeck hulls are basically the same as bowriders. The difference is the wider flare at the bow to allow for more seating. Some boats are called a sundeck but the only distinguishing feature is the bow mounted ladder.
     
  15. Lazy Daze

    Lazy Daze Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor GOLD Sponsor

    Apr 21, 2009
    PA
    Various
    Various
    From a performance standpoint, not much. Although the SPX/SDX/SLX do not share molds/hulls, for all intents and purposes what is below the waterline is basically the same. Yes, the SLX will give the best ride, but the Sundeck's hull is still a V-hull - it's not a modified V or anything like that as some manufacturer's do.
     

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