Onan info on Vessel View 7

[Tim Fila]

I finished up my electronics this year. Added Vessel View 7 along with a new P70r and i70s as well. Before I went down this road, I confirmed with my installer (Only certified Raymarine installer in my location) that the generator data would transfer to my VV7. He confirmed yes and that it needed a harness to go from the original smartcraft to the VV7.

Of course, once he's installed and gone, I realize that the generator data is not on the VV7. I texted him and he said he forgot and would get to it. It's been a few months, and he will not answer phone/text/email. I still owe him for all his time, as I've only paid for materials.

In the VV7, I have the genset enabled and when I go to the generator info, there is no data.

Anyone know what harness or what I need to get this working?

Thanks
Tim

 

[RBB]

I have same issue sir, my installer not what he said. In fact not good at all.
There is a thread on here though explaining it but I am not tech enough to follow.

 

[jmcdboater]

I finished up my electronics this year. Added Vessel View 7 along with a new P70r and i70s as well. Before I went down this road, I confirmed with my installer (Only certified Raymarine installer in my location) that the generator data would transfer to my VV7. He confirmed yes and that it needed a harness to go from the original smartcraft to the VV7.

Of course, once he's installed and gone, I realize that the generator data is not on the VV7. I texted him and he said he forgot and would get to it. It's been a few months, and he will not answer phone/text/email. I still owe him for all his time, as I've only paid for materials.

In the VV7, I have the genset enabled and when I go to the generator info, there is no data.

Anyone know what harness or what I need to get this working?

Thanks
Tim

What is a Vessel View 7? And a P70R, &i70s, and finally a VV7? We have an older (‘88) Sundancer, maybe this is all new tech stuff?

 

[ttmott]

http://clubsearay.com/index.php?threads/maretron-dsm410-j2k100-j1939-onan-programming.102689/
http://clubsearay.com/index.php?threads/diesel-view-vessel-view-upgrade.96502/

 

[b_arrington]

The Onan programming thread mentioned above is going to have a lot of details to help.

Minimally, you're going to need to be sure you have a Network Interface Module (NIM) installed on your generator. The NIM takes the generator operating data and convert it to be consumed by other devices. This is not necessarily a standard item and there are a couple versions that include outputs to Smartcraft or J1939. Inclusion of a NIM depends on what the builder specs; I've confirmed that my boat's builder does not spec a NIM.

The short answer is, it may not be a simple plug and play operation and your installer may not have the specialized Onan generator knowledge to handle this.

 

[ttmott]

The Onan programming thread mentioned above is going to have a lot of details to help.

Minimally, you're going to need to be sure you have a Network Interface Module (NIM) installed on your generator. The NIM takes the generator operating data and convert it to be consumed by other devices. This is not necessarily a standard item and there are a couple versions that include outputs to Smartcraft or J1939. Inclusion of a NIM depends on what the builder specs; I've confirmed that my boat's builder does not spec a NIM.

The short answer is, it may not be a simple plug and play operation and your installer may not have the specialized Onan generator knowledge to handle this.

He had generator data before installing the VV7 so he has a NIM already installed. What he and obviously his "qualified" installer doesn't know, is the data network the generator resides on (CAN V) in the Smatrcraft wiring harness' is no longer supported and the VV7 will not work with it. He has to convert the NIM Smartcraft data to SAE J1939 data then convert that to NMEA 2000 and interface a NMEA 2000 network with his VV7 to now get the generator's data.
For the OP - by doing this the generator's data will not only be available on your new VV7 but all of your NMEA 2000 devices.

 

[Tim Fila]

Oh boy....this may be over my head.

tt, thanks for the info!

Tim

 

[b_arrington]

yeah, this is one of the least straight forward boat projects I've seen. Feels a bit like this.

 

[ttmott]

Oh come on; it's not that difficult.

• Cut a wire on the NIM
• Add a Maretron J2K100 converter at one of the boat's port or starboard Smartcraft J-boxes (pins C and D)
• Tie the J2K100 to your existing or build a NMEA 2000 network
• Connect the NMEA 2000 network to your VV7.
• Configure the VV7.

The only thing is you need a means to set up the Maretron J2K100. Most of us use a Maretron DSM410 display to configure the converter. I understand that Maretron will set it up for an Onan generator also under a special order.

 

[Shaps]

@b_arrington
It may seem that way, but having done it i can tell you it was rather straightforward. AND, in my case, that was after finding out my NIM was bad.

Edit:
And Tom beat me to it!

 

[alnav]

The Onan programming thread mentioned above is going to have a lot of details to help.

Minimally, you're going to need to be sure you have a Network Interface Module (NIM) installed on your generator. The NIM takes the generator operating data and convert it to be consumed by other devices. This is not necessarily a standard item and there are a couple versions that include outputs to Smartcraft or J1939. Inclusion of a NIM depends on what the builder specs; I've confirmed that my boat's builder does not spec a NIM.

The short answer is, it may not be a simple plug and play operation and your installer may not have the specialized Onan generator knowledge to handle this.

Brad, just curious about how you control your generator? I believe both the Onan on-board and remote start/monitoring panels actually are driven by the same NIM we are discussing?

 

[Jeremygavin]

I just went through this process this winter and it wasn't one of the easiest things I have done on the boat if you read through the thread that Tom linked above you can get through it with minimal knowledge of the system.

 

[ttmott]

Brad, just curious about how you control your generator? I believe both the Onan on-board and remote start/monitoring panels actually are driven by the same NIM we are discussing?

Not the case Al. Inside of the generator when a NIM is added, it is interfaced with a Y harness. One side of that harness is for the NIM and the other is for the Onan remote gauge package option. The Onan start switches are completely separate and on a separate wiring harness not related to the NIM/Remote Gauge Package.

 

[alnav]

Not the case Al. Inside of the generator when a NIM is added, it is interfaced with a Y harness. One side of that harness is for the NIM and the other is for the Onan remote gauge package option. The Onan start switches are completely separate and on a separate wiring harness not related to the NIM/Remote Gauge Package.

Thanks, Tom. For some reason I thought the Y harness came from the NIM.

 

[ttmott]

Thanks, Tom. For some reason I thought the Y harness came from the NIM.

It is actually a mixed bag on the harnesses. SR does a modification to that NIM Y harness so they can add their remote start/stop switches and integrate the boat's fire protection system. From the Onan service manual -

 

[ttmott]

And from the 52DB Owner's Manual; but, they should all be similar -