OFFICIAL - 450DA Owner's Thread****

Discussion in 'Sport Yachts/Yachts' started by DjDaoust, Oct 18, 2016.

  1. BOB TYSON

    BOB TYSON Member SILVER Sponsor

    130
    Oct 5, 2017
    (tired of being) boatless.
    Cobalts 272,252,222
    Sea Ray 390 Express
    Chris Craft 21
    boatless
    Thanks Frank. I would rather pay a premium on transport rather than removing the arch. How about canvas and the aluminum supports? is this difficult? I wouldn't think so, but I have no experience with a 450. If I do remove canvas then what do I cover the gauges with? I'm moving the boat in November (if all goes accordingly) so there is the potential for weather. I have a concern, perhaps unwarranted, about theft of dash displays. Seems like an easy target for thieves? Transport company is insured but if parked overnight at a truck stop or motel..? I would rather not meet the transport at the marina to see the Garmin ripped off, etc.
     
  2. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    Remove the canvas from the frames, fold and store it on the salon floor. Old canvas tends to rip and the threads get rotten after a few years so the canvas will probably not survive runing down the interstates. You should also consider having the boat shrink wrapped. If you don't you will sopend the next year cleaning diesel soot and road slime out of every orifice and cabinet oin the boat. Store all the cockpit upholstery in the salon.

    If it were me, I would accelerate my time frame to transport in October. Given the boat's location, a November transport date means you will probably need to winterize the water system and the engines. That is wasted money since the boat is going to Florida.

    The top frame is stainless steel tubing so it can be heavy. it is easy to remove but I wouldn't. Pad it with cheap foam pipe insulation then tape it or tie it down to the windshield or arch.

    The dash can be covered with heavy plastic, but be careful with duck tape. That glue is the pits to remove so tape only to fiberglass, not to the painted eyebrow cover on the top of the dash.
     
  3. BOB TYSON

    BOB TYSON Member SILVER Sponsor

    130
    Oct 5, 2017
    (tired of being) boatless.
    Cobalts 272,252,222
    Sea Ray 390 Express
    Chris Craft 21
    boatless
    thanks Frank. Do I need to winterize or simply drain all systems except engine oils?
     
  4. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    Hi Barlow, sorry I just saw this issue you are having and I had the same problem. The plumbing for the galley, wash machine, and aft head are (I am galley to starboard) all behind the refrigerator. It has been a few years, but I had to get out my short 3-4 foot ladder and climb over the fridge. I replaced all of the fresh water fittings back there. It's a royal PITA to do this and I am 6'1" 205 lbs, if you are bigger or have any flexibility issues you will have to sub this out... I see now you are stating port side so sorry this may not help...
     
  5. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    Unless the fridge has been replaced with a non-standard unit most will run on the 12v house batteries when 120v is not available
     
  6. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    Hi Bob, we bought ours out of So. Cal. and we had it transported up I-5 to Tacoma, WA. It was on a low boy with props off and everything above the stock arch removed. Ours was a May move with a good weather window, I opted not to shrink wrap and did well. Everything like Frank said from the helm & cockpit was stored below. LINA LINA ARRIVAL 007.jpg
     
  7. BOB TYSON

    BOB TYSON Member SILVER Sponsor

    130
    Oct 5, 2017
    (tired of being) boatless.
    Cobalts 272,252,222
    Sea Ray 390 Express
    Chris Craft 21
    boatless
    Thanks Bill Collector !
     
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  8. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    Bob,

    If you cannot/will not consider accelerating your schedule then you need to fully winterize all the systems on the boat. There are low places in the engines' water jackets and in the freshwater systems that will not gravity drain. All you need is a trucker to get caught in an early winter storm and spend several cold nights in a truck stop in the North. A boat on a traailer doesn't have the benefit everything below the waterline sitting in fairly warm water acting as a heat sink to prevent freezing.

    If your destination has not changed, the guys on the receiving end can and will take care of your boat...you just need to either get it headed South as early as possible or have it winterized.
     
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  9. BOB TYSON

    BOB TYSON Member SILVER Sponsor

    130
    Oct 5, 2017
    (tired of being) boatless.
    Cobalts 272,252,222
    Sea Ray 390 Express
    Chris Craft 21
    boatless
    Got it. Thanks Frank.
    Bob
     
  10. The Bill Collector

    The Bill Collector Well-Known Member SILVER Sponsor

    Jun 2, 2008
    Tacoma, WA
    450 Sundancer
    3126 Cat's
    I just did mine last week. resealed all screws and replaced windshield gasket screw covering. Fisheries has the best price but is an hour drive away so I went to West Marine and with their new policy, they price matched 4 x 8' did the trick...
    https://www.fisheriessupply.com/taco-marine-tco-v30-0750b8-1-v30-0750b8-1 $20.44 per 8' or $2.50 per foot - read the dimensions, identical to Taylor Made rip off price.... Just saying !
    https://www.westmarine.com/buy/taco...ets-for-windshields-hatches--P024_725_001_500

    Last edited: May 17, 2018
     
  11. relentlesss

    relentlesss Member

    34
    Mar 27, 2016
    Middle river MD
    1996 Sea ray 450 Dancer 3126 cats garmin plotter raymarine radar
    3126 Caterpillars 420hp
    I have a 96 450 Da for sale with 3126 cats. Cat replaced the 3116's under warranty. approx 800 hrs. I am having all the canvas replaced as we speak. Including a cockpit cover and full camper canvas in black. Not one issue with boat. Never had any major issues. Just small stuff as to be expected.
     
  12. barlow

    barlow Member

    293
    Feb 28, 2009
    Marlborough Sounds, New Zealand
    450 Sundancer
    3116 T/A Cats 350 hp
    Stay away from the 450 or the 300hp Cats...?
     
  13. Freedom Rider

    Freedom Rider New Member

    15
    Aug 29, 2017
    Emma Colorado
    1998 SR450 Sundancer, 2017 Zodiac 230 inflatable, original electronics except for Garmin GPS
    Twin Cat 3126
    May I ask where you are getting your new canvas made?

    Thank you.
     
  14. Freedom Rider

    Freedom Rider New Member

    15
    Aug 29, 2017
    Emma Colorado
    1998 SR450 Sundancer, 2017 Zodiac 230 inflatable, original electronics except for Garmin GPS
    Twin Cat 3126
    Looking on some advice on replacing the prop shaft. The shaft is 1-3/4" and will also need new cuttless bearings.

    Thanks in Advance.
     
  15. fwebster

    fwebster Well-Known Member TECHNICAL Contributor PLATINUM Sponsor

    Oct 6, 2006
    Middle Tennessee ; Panama City Beach, FL
    1996 450DA
    3116 Caterpillars
    I suspect you are going to have a hard time finding Aquamet shafting in Colorado. However, if a local machine shop can order it, the original shafts were Aquamet 19, from there the machining isn't complicated: a taper, a keyway and threads on both ends and a hole drilled for cotter pins on the prop end.

    The tapers are industry standards to mate with the prop and transmission coupler, so the best approach is to order the shafting then haul the boat out of the water and remove the shaft you are replacing and take it to your machine shop for them to copy. The shafts finish 92.25" long so you will probably need to buy a 10ft. stick for each shaft you re replacing. One shaft will probably cost $750-$900, with no shipping.

    The other alternative is to go to a Sea Ray dealer and order a shaft from the factory. However, the factory is closed and never made the shafts anyway, so they will need to order one from their vendor and ship it to you. Freight will be expensive and will be by common carrier, plus you will have a Sea Ray mark up and a dealer's mark up and one shaft my cost $2000-$2500.

    That is all I've got.....!
     
  16. H2Oload

    H2Oload Member

    47
    Jun 12, 2016
    Cincinnati OH
    1996 450 Sundancer
    Cat 3126
    I’m installing a satdome. I like the low dual mount instead of the mast. Does anyone have this setup? I have a Raymarine Super HD 4kw open array radar but I read about interference.....but see a lot of KVH mounted close and on same place as radar.
     

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