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Where is the hydraulic pump located for the Raymarine ST8002 autopilot? I have a suspicion it's located on the starboard side inside the panel to the right of the helm seat. Haven't looked there yet but if someone knows that would be great.

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Having to make some longer term decisions about whether to go Raymarine or Garmin. Want to check the compatibility of pumps.
 

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Where is the hydraulic pump located for the Raymarine ST8002 autopilot? I have a suspicion it's located on the starboard side inside the panel to the right of the helm seat. Haven't looked there yet but if someone knows that would be great.

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Having to make some longer term decisions about whether to go Raymarine or Garmin. Want to check the compatibility of pumps.

Mine is starboard side all the way aft behind the generator. 2003.
 
Where is the hydraulic pump located for the Raymarine ST8002 autopilot? I have a suspicion it's located on the starboard side inside the panel to the right of the helm seat. Haven't looked there yet but if someone knows that would be great.

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Having to make some longer term decisions about whether to go Raymarine or Garmin. Want to check the compatibility of pumps.
On my 2000 38DA, (Simrad autopilot) it is located exactly where you think it is. Remove that "map pocket" next to the helm seat and you should find the pump slightly forward of the opening. Mine is mounted on rubber isolator mounts.
 
On my 2000 38DA, (Simrad autopilot) it is located exactly where you think it is. Remove that "map pocket" next to the helm seat and you should find the pump slightly forward of the opening. Mine is mounted on rubber isolator mounts.
Thanks. Having had to figure out where to stuff electronics in aircraft for years, it looked like the most logical location. I'll take pictures during the week when I find it.
Next step is to see if there is any way to use that pump with a new autopilot head.
Was surprised to find out the Garmin 12" MFD is a GPSMap 1242xsv which is older but slightly better than the Raymarine Axiom+ I have in a box.
Thinking I'm going to sell the Raymarine E70638 (non-sonar) MFD and the Raymarine T70416 Q24D Radar (box sealed) and purchase a Garmin GMR Fantom 24x Radar.
 
Question about windshield wiper arms. My understanding is the 380DA uses a 24" arm (P/N 1173996).
What is the size of the motor spline to which the arm attaches?
The arm I found on eBay attaches to a 5/8" spline. Is that the size? Is there a source other than eBay for the correct wiper arm?
 
Thanks. Having had to figure out where to stuff electronics in aircraft for years, it looked like the most logical location. I'll take pictures during the week when I find it.
Next step is to see if there is any way to use that pump with a new autopilot head.
Was surprised to find out the Garmin 12" MFD is a GPSMap 1242xsv which is older but slightly better than the Raymarine Axiom+ I have in a box.
Thinking I'm going to sell the Raymarine E70638 (non-sonar) MFD and the Raymarine T70416 Q24D Radar (box sealed) and purchase a Garmin GMR Fantom 24x Radar.
Keep us posted, I'd like to do this conversion at some point as well.
 
Keep us posted, I'd like to do this conversion at some point as well.
I've found TheGPSStore.com to be the best resource for all things marine electronics.
Called Raymarine technical support twice about my Axiom+ MFD and what triducer (speed, depth & temp) would work with the unit. Got the impression I knew more about the equipment than they did.
Frustrated, I called TheGPSStore (should have done that in the first place) and got immediate answers.
Charlene and Brian quickly let me know I needed to get a sonar unit (Raymarine CP370) which would go between the triducer and MFD. They suggested I get one used, since the MFD was already out of the box, so picked one up off eBay for $354.
Then they let me know not all B744Vs have the 'correct' plug end, so made sure I ordered one that would plug and play with the CP370.
Had purchased a Vesper Cortex VHF/AIS from them, which needed reprogramming to the new (to me) 380DA. Sent it back to them and Brian called me multiple times, to help me with the FCC registration and reprogramming options. At the end of all of this, he offered to waive the $65 programming fee, telling me he could have walked me through it over the phone, if I hadn't shipped the unit to him. Seriously. Told him to not only charge the $65 bucks plus return shipping, but that he'd earned a customer for life.
They then told me to check the model number of the Garmin MFD already in the boat, so they could properly advise me which way to go, Raymarine or Garmin, going forward.
According to them, Garmin is much more 'open' as far as device integration, something I've seen mentioned elsewhere. Not knocking Raymarine, as my Beneteau was a complete Raymarine setup (MFD, instruments, transducers, VHF, Autopilot) and worked great. It was either Raymarine or B&G as far as sailing went.
 
Next question. Has anyone replaced or serviced the helm seat pedestal? Having all of the upholstery done for the all of the seating surfaces. The helm seat pedestal is frozen (side movement and vertical) and in pretty bad shape.
It's a Garelick with the model number on the sticker 78000-30 (SeaRay P/N 127980).
I think I can get the side slide and swivel unstuck and working. The vertical hydraulic cylinder is another matter.
Contacted the OEM via email. Not much on the Garelick.com website, just a catalog.

**UPDATE** got an email response from Garelick with the attached seat pedestal instructions. Per Garelick "The replacement gas shock for the 78000-30 is #49.250" which can be ordered from Fisheries Supply support@fisheriessupply.com or Wholesale Marine sales@wholesalemarine.com.

It's $152 from Wholesale Marine here.

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Springfield makes pedestals that look like they will fit the bill, matching the 12" base with a P/N 1250301
$365 from West Marine.

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Thanks. Having had to figure out where to stuff electronics in aircraft for years, it looked like the most logical location. I'll take pictures during the week when I find it.
Next step is to see if there is any way to use that pump with a new autopilot head.
Was surprised to find out the Garmin 12" MFD is a GPSMap 1242xsv which is older but slightly better than the Raymarine Axiom+ I have in a box.
Thinking I'm going to sell the Raymarine E70638 (non-sonar) MFD and the Raymarine T70416 Q24D Radar (box sealed) and purchase a Garmin GMR Fantom 24x Radar.
I cant see autopilot hydraulic fluid pumps being that drastically different between brands (Garmin, Simrad, Raymarine etc) I would assume that the pressures and flow rates would be similar, especially for boats our size with a single steering station?
 
I cant see autopilot hydraulic fluid pumps being that drastically different between brands (Garmin, Simrad, Raymarine etc) I would assume that the pressures and flow rates would be similar, especially for boats our size with a single steering station?

Just got off the phone with TheGPSStore and they confirmed your hypothesis that the Garmin autopilot will drive the hydraulic pump that came with the ST8002 Raymarine autopilot. That's a $900 savings from buying the kit with the Garmin 1.2L hydraulic pump.
 
Darrell helped me out a ton


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Next question. Has anyone replaced or serviced the helm seat pedestal? Having all of the upholstery done for the all of the seating surfaces. The helm seat pedestal is frozen (side movement and vertical) and in pretty bad shape.
It's a Garelick with the model number on the sticker 78000-30 (SeaRay P/N 127980).
I think I can get the side slide and swivel unstuck and working. The vertical hydraulic cylinder is another matter.
Contacted the OEM via email. Not much on the Garelick.com website, just a catalog.

**UPDATE** got an email response from Garelick with the attached seat pedestal instructions. Per Garelick "The replacement gas shock for the 78000-30 is #49.250" which can be ordered from Fisheries Supply support@fisheriessupply.com or Wholesale Marine sales@wholesalemarine.com.

It's $152 from Wholesale Marine here.

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Springfield makes pedestals that look like they will fit the bill, matching the 12" base with a P/N 1250301
$365 from West Marine.

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Just got off the phone with TheGPSStore and they confirmed your hypothesis that the Garmin autopilot will drive the hydraulic pump that came with the ST8002 Raymarine autopilot. That's a $900 savings from buying the kit with the Garmin 1.2L hydraulic pump.
I have a Raymarine GPS/Radar in the boat. How does one got about getting the two to talk to each other, getting the Raymarine unit to drive the hydraulic pump? I do everything manually now on the ST8002.
 
Next question. Has anyone replaced or serviced the helm seat pedestal? Having all of the upholstery done for the all of the seating surfaces. The helm seat pedestal is frozen (side movement and vertical) and in pretty bad shape.
It's a Garelick with the model number on the sticker 78000-30 (SeaRay P/N 127980).
I think I can get the side slide and swivel unstuck and working. The vertical hydraulic cylinder is another matter.
Contacted the OEM via email. Not much on the Garelick.com website, just a catalog.

**UPDATE** got an email response from Garelick with the attached seat pedestal instructions. Per Garelick "The replacement gas shock for the 78000-30 is #49.250" which can be ordered from Fisheries Supply support@fisheriessupply.com or Wholesale Marine sales@wholesalemarine.com.

It's $152 from Wholesale Marine here.

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Springfield makes pedestals that look like they will fit the bill, matching the 12" base with a P/N 1250301
$365 from West Marine.

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Good evening SC,
I removed my helm seat from the base plate that is bolted to the floor last winter. It would not swivel, slide, or go up and down. Everything was froze up from 20+ Years of not being used. Original owner set it and left it. I completely tore it apart. Actually it’s pretty simple to do.
I had to use some force and a rubber mallet to get the parts moving. I used 600 grit sand paper and sanded everything smooth and then used 600 grit emery paper after that.
The seat riser is Hollow Tube with a plastic Bushing inside of it and then a smaller tube inside of that. The plastic bushing was frozen to the inside tube. I removed the small screw that held in the bushing and removed the inside tube and bushing from the outer tube.Then I had to physically pound the center tube out of the bushing. Once apart I sanded the O.D of the Tube really well to make it was as smooth as possible. Then I sanded the ID of the plastic bushing until it was smooth. I cleaned and oiled up everything really well and then reassembled. It.
It now works like new.
My buddy has a 2000 380, just like mine and I am going to tear his apart this winter and redo it all.
These seat components are very Top quality. They are chrome and stainless steel. They should last a very long time. I think if you have the patience to tear them apart, sand, clean, and oil them up they will work good for you again.
Unless poor boat maintenance has allowed rust to completely take over, you should only ever have to replace the spring shock. The 49.250 part number is correct for that.

My buddies won’t hold position in the up down any more so I will be changing his spring Cylinder.

I hope this helps. With time and patience its not bad and alot cheaper than purchasing a new one.

Good luck and feel free to reach out if you have questions.
 
Good evening SC,
I removed my helm seat from the base plate that is bolted to the floor last winter. It would not swivel, slide, or go up and down. Everything was froze up from 20+ Years of not being used. Original owner set it and left it. I completely tore it apart. Actually it’s pretty simple to do.
I had to use some force and a rubber mallet to get the parts moving. I used 600 grit sand paper and sanded everything smooth and then used 600 grit emery paper after that.
The seat riser is Hollow Tube with a plastic Bushing inside of it and then a smaller tube inside of that. The plastic bushing was frozen to the inside tube. I removed the small screw that held in the bushing and removed the inside tube and bushing from the outer tube.Then I had to physically pound the center tube out of the bushing. Once apart I sanded the O.D of the Tube really well to make it was as smooth as possible. Then I sanded the ID of the plastic bushing until it was smooth. I cleaned and oiled up everything really well and then reassembled. It.
It now works like new.
My buddy has a 2000 380, just like mine and I am going to tear his apart this winter and redo it all.
These seat components are very Top quality. They are chrome and stainless steel. They should last a very long time. I think if you have the patience to tear them apart, sand, clean, and oil them up they will work good for you again.
Unless poor boat maintenance has allowed rust to completely take over, you should only ever have to replace the spring shock. The 49.250 part number is correct for that.

My buddies won’t hold position in the up down any more so I will be changing his spring Cylinder.

I hope this helps. With time and patience its not bad and alot cheaper than purchasing a new one.

Good luck and feel free to reach out if you have questions.

Thanks for the detailed post. I've got it up on the work table and have gotten the two round knobs to turn with PB Blaster lubrication.
The instructions I got from Garelick (attached) mention a vertical cam lock (Figure 1A). My pedestal doesn't have one. Does yours?
 

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Thanks for the detailed post. I've got it up on the work table and have gotten the two round knobs to turn with PB Blaster lubrication.
The instructions I got from Garelick (attached) mention a vertical cam lock (Figure 1A). My pedestal doesn't have one. Does yours?

no cam lock on ours.
That was later models. I think they found that the spring cylinders could not hold the load over time.
I am trying to figure out a way to add a cam lock to mine and my buddys.
 
no cam lock on ours.
That was later models. I think they found that the spring cylinders could not hold the load over time.
I am trying to figure out a way to add a cam lock to mine and my buddys.

Thanks. It may be a spare part that can be ordered. I emailed Garelick to see if it could be ordered somewhere.
 
Garelick responded, no retrofit of the cam lock to earlier pedestals.

Every single screw in my pedestal would not come out with an impact drill and the correct hex bit. Had to resort to the propane torch to get them out; all but one. Had to drill it out (what a pain). Still slowly disassembling, then the cleanup begins.
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