Obama Infomercial

[Woody]

By SEEG We need to come together and perhaps we can restore this country.

This made me think of my dad's thoughts/advice on marriage. He said "Woody, marriage is like a good team of horses, when they pull together it's amazing how much they can get done".

 

[fc3]

Whatever happened to the real fiscal consevatives.

We are here.

People, someone has to pay for this financial mess we've gotton ourselves in. Why should my grand children be saddled with our half trillion dollar deficits. I've heard Obama called a socialist. ...

I'll likely have to pay higher income taxes under Obama, that's what progressive taxation is all about. I paid cash for a new Harley with my last tax cut from Bush. I can afford higher taxes. I don't necessarily want to pay more but these deficits are killing this country. We need to pay attention to whats best for us rather than whats best for me.

Every third party, non-partisan analysis I've seen shows that McCain's plan would increase the deficit. Agree with you 100% on that. The same reports show that Osama's plans would increase it more than McCain's. One's bad, the other is worse. Let's try to minimize the awfulness.

Just because that what "progressive taxation is all about," doesn't make it right. Why should 5% of tax payer pay half the burden? 25% of tax payers shoulder 5 of every 6 dollars collected. About half pay nearly nothing. That's wrong! That leads to a situation where people who have nothing at risk are voting for idiots who are going to screw the rest over. How would they like a counter proposal? Everyone gets one vote for every $1,000 dollars in taxes paid? Why is that unfair, but people who pay nothing vote for congresscritters who raise taxes on the minority?

I can't afford a tax increase. But since you guys on the left want to spend more and pay more, be my guest. Just leave me out of it. I want the government to spend less. I'd be happy seeing every program across the board receive a 10% cut next fiscal year. How about a 10% cut from fiscal 1980 spending? The dopy greenies think we can do that with CO2 without disruption, so why not the budget?

The greedy bankers who loaned you the money, took their cut, sold the mtg to some other greedy speculators who divided them up into pieces and then sold them to others.

Where's the blame of the cause of the problem? Fannie and Freddy run by their clinton appointees where the idiots created the market for junk mortages by buying them. Don't forget Congress shooting down every attempt to reform those organizations. The banks followed the lead set by those companies. The idiots in congress thought that people who are not credit worthy should be home owners. Why? More stupid social policy has come back to bite us on our collective a**. There is plenty of blame to go around.

Sorry for the rant, but you folks need to get your news from someone other than Fox news and talk radio. It's likely that Obama will be our next president. We need to come together and perhaps we can restore this country.

I use neither "news" source. Actually, I rely on nothing from the mass media since it's all crap. Why should we all "come together" for Osama? Did you guys come together for any republican administration? Any? Certainly not Nixon, Reagan, Bush, or the other idiot Bush. How about even just one Republican proposal?

I'm betting, but not hoping, that if Osama is elected, some idiot is going to shoot the bastard. He's far to polarizing. How's that for coming together?

 

[ImpulseIII]

Lets see, if we do not bail out AIG and the auto companies and banks where is the unemployment compensation money for the thousands of people losing their jobs going to come from...Higher taxes maybe? Guess you think the news on CBS and NBC and ABC and most importantly PBS is fair and balanced. Good grief!!!! I the tank for the Socialist.....But what do i know?

Thank you for your service to our country. I spent 2 1/2 years flying in and out of Viet Nam and was never a target (Navy C 118 and C 130). I was lucky....many were not.

 

[Pseudomind]

We are here.

...I'm betting, but not hoping, that if Osama is elected, some idiot is going to shoot the bastard. He's far to polarizing. How's that for coming together?

I am also hoping nothing like this happens, but there are way too many crazies out there; as an example, consider this a disgruntled college student kills 30 in Virginia. As to polarizing I would believe if some event on this magnitude were to happen it will only deepen polarization even more. I for one would certainly hate to see the mass riots we had some years ago in this country.

 

[tmhudson2]

I am also hoping nothing like this happens, but there are way too many crazies out there; as an example, consider this a disgruntled college student kills 30 in Virginia. As to polarizing I would believe if some event on this magnitude were to happen it will only deepen polarization even more. I for one would certainly hate to see the mass riots we had some years ago in this country.

A local/statewide radio talk show host is predicting race riots if Obama does not win. The Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

 

[fc3]

A local/statewide radio talk show host is predicting race riots if Obama does not win. The Chinese curse: "May you live in interesting times."

I believe that, especially in certain parts of the country. LA, and Detroit for example, seem riot prone. I think it's a Confucian curse.

 

[ImpulseIII]

Great, now if Osama does not get elected, I'll have to carry when I go out of the house just to protect myself from disgruntled liberals.......Ever notice that the only campaign posters that are defaced are Republican posters. What kind of person does that??

 

[dpvandy01]

They burn their city when their NBA team wins.... City's will burn if O gets elected or not

 

[Four Suns]

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[comsnark]

I don't perceive either party or either candidate advocating a reduction in spending.

There is verbage on the McCain website about reducing spending -I have linked to it before- but he never talks about it. I frankly don't believe it.

Spending is totally out of control - agreed.

I am opposed goverment handouts. "welfare" - either for the poor or for corperations is wrong. I don't like seeing my tax money finance people who totally mismanage their lives. I don't like seeing my tax money finance companies that totally mismanage their risk.

As for all those people who bought more house than they can afford. . . .too freakin bad! Geez. . .I almost feel like taking out a huge mortgage and missing a few payments just so I can look for some government cash.

Yes. . .I believe in progressive taxation. But I also do not believe in the government dole.

 

[comsnark]

Ok. . . I may have overstepped.

A few minutes on Google shows that he is proposing a budget freeze openly. Except for Defense, Veteran affairs, and entitelements

Oh. . and science activities.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/science-funding-wont-be-frozen-under-mccain-adviser-says-2008-10-14.html

Which apparently includes NASA. . .

http://www.urlfan.com/local/mccain_exempts_nasa_from_budget_freeze/112269983.html

and homeowners?

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/b9af0d4c-9c0e-4a97-b27f-19df8cfec83d.htm

But you made your point. I engaged mouth before brain.

 

[Woody]

Ok. . . I may have overstepped.

A few minutes on Google shows that he is proposing a budget freeze openly. Except for Defense, Veteran affairs, and entitelements

Oh. . and science activities.

http://thehill.com/leading-the-news/science-funding-wont-be-frozen-under-mccain-adviser-says-2008-10-14.html

Which apparently includes NASA. . .

http://www.urlfan.com/local/mccain_exempts_nasa_from_budget_freeze/112269983.html

and homeowners?

http://www.johnmccain.com/Informing/Issues/b9af0d4c-9c0e-4a97-b27f-19df8cfec83d.htm

But you made your point. I engaged mouth before brain.

Great, if he's made his point then you should no longer be in a quandry on Tuesday. Look, we can nitpic on McCain but it appears to me that he's trying to revert to some sound basics. It's refreshing to me that his plan overall recognizes that you can't keep replaceing the disappearing capital with other capital that doesn't exist. Virtually any policies that stimulate business is good. More jobs, more money in everyones hands...heck, some people may even be able to make their own mortgage pymts.

If the Googling you just did enlightened you, I can't help but ask what it was that you based your many previous pages of political commentary on.

 

[fc3]

What do mean he never talks about it? Everytime he is in a debate, or a public rally he says he is going to institute a budget freeze. (except for healthcare, seniors and veterans per McCain/Palin)

What's wrong with cutting healthcare and seniors? There is a lot of crap in healthcare that does not need to be there. Why does Medicare Part D pay for Viagra? Get your jollies on your own dime buddy. If you can't afford it, I'm not paying for it. Why do seniors who have assets in excess of seven figures get government payments? What's wrong with cutting a little waste here and there? Added together, and it's real money.

Entitlements need reform starting with the word "entitlement." No one is entitled to someone else's wealth. When the preamble says, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," it does not mean that the government is the provider of such. Jefferson meant that the government is not going to take them away from the people. It's your responsibility to provide for your own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness not mine, and not the diesel boat snobs. They have enough trouble with their racors.

Best regards,
Frank

 

[comsnark]

I refrained from posting some of the more opinion based links in my earlier post. The basic gist of those links is that if you ain't cutting entitlements and defense. . plus increasing spending on Science. . there isn't very much (proportionally) to cut - . . which is a fairly obvious point.

While the Democrats are not talking about balanced budgets either. . the Republican record on spending is clear.

 

[keokie]

Comsnark, I and most conservatives agree with you on how the Republicans have acted on spending in the last 8 years. However, John McCain has a strong record on opposing spending. If spending is a very big concern to you (as it is for me) John McCain is by far the better choice. Ultimately, I believe he will sign too many spending bills, but I think it is virtually undebatable that he will sign far fewer, far fewer spending measures than Obama.

I firmly believe history indicates that if the dems takeover, they will continue or increase current defecits. They will tax more and add to spending. What this means is we will still have a fiscally irresponsible government, but the stakes will get much higher as the government will be confiscatingg a lot more wealth.

Think of it this way: Imagine you are going to co-sign a credit card for a young adult to help them with some college expenses. Now imagine that you know in the back of your mind that they will exceed the limit (no matter what it is) and eventually default leaving you responsible. Would you rather the limit was $3,000 or $10,000?

This is how I see our government. I expect they will be irresponsible with all of our hard-earned money, so I vote in every way possible to give them less to be irresponsible with. We have to clean up the mess they make. The smaller the better.

 

[Woody]

What's wrong with cutting healthcare and seniors? There is a lot of crap in healthcare that does not need to be there. Why does Medicare Part D pay for Viagra? Get your jollies on your own dime buddy. If you can't afford it, I'm not paying for it. Why do seniors who have assets in excess of seven figures get government payments? What's wrong with cutting a little waste here and there? Added together, and it's real money.

Entitlements need reform starting with the word "entitlement." No one is entitled to someone else's wealth. When the preamble says, "life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness," it does not mean that the government is the provider of such. Jefferson meant that the government is not going to take them away from the people. It's your responsibility to provide for your own life, liberty and pursuit of happiness not mine, and not the diesel boat snobs. They have enough trouble with their racors.

Best regards,
Frank

So your saying the seniors that have accumulate seven figure wealth shouldn't be able to use the SS and Medicare programs that they have been paying into. That sounds unfare to the diesel boat snobs you refer to.

I'm of the opinion that the two groups that this county needs to take better care of are: 1. the seniors, those people who worked, paid taxes, and supported this country through the years 2. the veterans, those people that served and protected this country.

I agree that cutting waste should be a priority but I think the first emphasis should be on the effeciencies of administration and implementation. Then we can see where we're at and take the next steps.

FYI, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" isn't in the Preamble, it's in the Constitution itself, but I get your point.

This country has to stop the bleeding then we can work on healing the patient.

 

[fc3]

So your saying the seniors that have accumulate seven figure wealth shouldn't be able to use the SS and Medicare programs that they have been paying into. That sounds unfare to the diesel boat snobs you refer to.

I'm of the opinion that the two groups that this county needs to take better care of are: 1. the seniors, those people who worked, paid taxes, and supported this country through the years 2. the veterans, those people that served and protected this country.

I agree that cutting waste should be a priority but I think the first emphasis should be on the effeciencies of administration and implementation. Then we can see where we're at and take the next steps.

FYI, "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" isn't in the Preamble, it's in the Constitution itself, but I get your point.

This country has to stop the bleeding then we can work on healing the patient.

I did not specifically mention social security, but there is a good place to start. Social Security is not an investment plan. It is more like a ponzi scheme. It pays out based upon what it takes in from those who work. As long as there are more people working than not working and collecting, the system more or less functions. Back when the system was established, life expectancy was about 65-68 years. Now it's about 80 years. Also, if one calculates the amount paid in FICA taxes plus the employers contribution, adds in interest (as if that money were actually invested) the average retiree exhausts those funds by the time they are 80. Social Security is basically screwed.

Until people get the idea out of their head that the government is going to take care of them, then we are all screwed. It can't. Once ones starts down the road of taking care of one group or another, then some other group of unfortunates are going to want theirs, and another and another. It's a slippery slope. Everyone has some sad story. One lost his job, another has cancer, someone else's kid is disabled. Which ones get paid and which don't?

The government might be able to act as the support net of last resort, but that means that those do are not solely dependent on the government have to get off the dole. Otherwise, no one will get off the dole, everyone wants to get on it, and downward we spiral.

I meant Declaration of Independence, which Jefferson mostly wrote. I don't know why I wrote preamble. It's not anywhere in the Constitution.

Best regards,
Frank

 

[Woody]

Posted by FC3 I meant Declaration of Independence, which Jefferson mostly wrote. I don't know why I wrote preamble. It's not anywhere in the Constitution.

Yes your are correct on the Declaration, I knew better. Please don't tell my teacher she'll get mad at me. She's still living...going to be 100yr old in Dec. She put much emphasis on the Preamble, Declaration, etc and their importance, I know she would be disappointed.

 

[fc3]

Posted by FC3 I meant Declaration of Independence, which Jefferson mostly wrote. I don't know why I wrote preamble. It's not anywhere in the Constitution.

Please don't tell my teacher she'll get mad at me.

No worries. I never get to Wisconsin, but I can find it on the map. It's up cold. I mean up north.

Best regards,
Frank

 

[comsnark]

I did not specifically mention social security, but there is a good place to start. Social Security is not an investment plan. It is more like a ponzi scheme. It pays out based upon what it takes in from those who work. As long as there are more people working than not working and collecting, the system more or less functions.

If I am not mistaken. . .SS currently takes in more than it spends.