* not boat related * When to put manners aside and speak up

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The admiral and I are in a fight / argument. We don’t get in them often. This is the biggest one in years.

I’m here looking for advice.

If you would like to help, please read on…..

I’ll try to set the stage as balanced as I can.

The admiral’s parents, living in Winter Haven Florida send us a box of citrus fruit each year.

They buy it from a place that claims it’s all natural, no sprays are used. Basically the stuff is crap. If it does not have mold growing on it by the time we get it, it does within a day. Out of the box if we consume three grapefruit before we toss the rest that is a good year.

Her parents are far from rich. Paying for this is a lot for them. If that was not enough, their house got broken into and there was a lot of damage and items stolen.

Personally, I don’t expect them to spend any money on us. They simply can’t afford it.

The box of grapefruit and oranges just arrived. They asked us how it was. My wife raved over it, thanking them.

I feel she is doing the wrong thing. Unless we tell them, politely, how bad this stuff is they will continue to spend their limited money on this every year.

OK, now you are current up to last Friday.

Saturday my wife made a food that is a family tradition on her mother’s side, something they call brie. It’s a meat pancake made from ground up butt roast and lots of flower. You make it into brick shaped loafs then cut off a slab and fry it in a pan of cooking oil for breakfast. In my opinion it’s a dry, tasteless thing but how you make it as been passed down her family for generations. My wife’s grandmother taught my wife how to make it before she passed on. Her grandmother never showed my wife’s mom how to make it. As far as I know, my wife’s mother never asked her mom to show her how to make it.

Her Dad does not like the stuff. I have never heard her Mom state an opinion it.

My wife decide to make a few bricks and send them this as a ‘thank you’ for the gift box of rotten citrus they sent us.

The stuff is perishable so she froze it, packed it with ice packs, wrapped it in layers of tin foil and newspaper then put it in a box and last night she sent it to them, Fed-ex, next day air, 10:30 AM delivery at a shipping cost of $81.00.

So, let’s recap. Her parents are spending money to send us stuff that we toss in the trash. As a thank you we are sending them stuff that at best, only one of them may or may not like, that costs $81 just to ship it to them.

I say we should talk to them and stop this from repeating next year.


If this was a one time thing I would not have a issue. From what I can tell, this ‘be polite, even though each person does not want what the other person is doing for them’ is a tradition on my wife’s side.

I’m not asking you to tell me who is right. I don’t think anyone can convince me that I am wrong.

I’m looking for advice on what to do.
 
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If it was me, I'd just bite my tongue. Family traditions around holidays are something to be cherished. Are grapefruit and brie worth fighting over???? Enjoy the time with your family!
 
My advice would be to stop posting personal issues between your wife and yourself on a public website. And donate the fruit to a nearby homeless shelter.
 
I found out two weeks ago that my GF is now reading the forum. Hi sweetie! (I have to be careful what I type now)
 
Easy answer. Send them a fruitcake for Christmas next year. They'll send it back to you the year after, and you can send it back the year after that, and so on... You will still need to pay shipping, but at least they won't need to order fruit, and your wife won't need to make the Brie...

Have you cancelled that order for the stripper pole yet, Mike?
 
As straight shooting as I usually am I say send them a copy of this post.

How about the four of you get together and say something like; Let's get practical about exchanging gifts at Christmas each year and then just lay it all out.

I am not rich and I have probably wasted some money from time to time..but $81.00 to ship some form of fried meatloaf, and It may not even be good when they receive it.

How about both just agreeing to forgo the material and just send each other a gift card, Visa//Mastercard and if neither really needs the money then each side donate to a charity. Hospice's, battered women, etc. and others are usually always needing money.

To me it sounds as if there is more between you two then just this, and this is just an excuse to bemoan the fact. :huh:

It is actually petty, but like I said previously;
As straight shooting as I usually am

I would have probably already stated something to the other party, lets just stop this annual gift ritual and do something different.
 
You can do what I do - stay out in the garage. If sending a butt roast fried pancake via fedex made my wife happy I'd buy her a dedicated frying pan, a freezer full of meat, and a daily fedex pickup.
 
........... I don’t think anyone can convince me that I am wrong......
Well Doug,
I think you know the answer. People hold onto their traditions more for the memories and sentimental gravity they hold. It may bring them back to their childhood (like your Kids will have years from now about making their movies at Christmas time). I'm sure you have yours as well but it's hard to appreciate the sentiment of a Meatloaf when it doesn't have the same experiences for you tied to it.

She sounds like she's just trying to preserve it and she sticking up for her parents pride by telling them their Florida Fruit is unbelievable.

Good luck, but this is one of those battles you don't want to win.
 
I’m looking for advice on what to do.

Make it a win/win. With this economy, help her find ways to save them money, then make her think it's her idea. Sounds like the stuff I deal with every day with my family, but not sure you benefit from going public with it.

Just ask yourself at the end of the day if you want your wife to be happy with you or peeved at you. As a feedback loop, ask yourself if you are getting any that day.
 
My first impression was the same as JG's. But as I read on I became intrigued. This is actually amusing.

What I'd do is tell the in-laws that the past few times the fruit arrived, it was moldy and poorly packed and inedible. Suggest they shop at a different place. I have no comment on the brie, but it's the thought that counts, right?

Other than that, keep on pumping money into the economy and we'll head rapidly towards recovery.

why do these things always involve mother-in-laws??
 
I myself have become a "choose your battles" guy. No doubt I would let her have this one. I would even find a way to reduce shipping cost as I took it myself (for you dear), to the Fed Ex drop point. However when I say no we are not buying a new car or its getting late and we're heading back to the marina now............I win. Always.
 
All I can say is that I had a Great Laugh reading your story! Sorry for all family issues and sensitivities that you are trying to balance, but I unfortunately offer you no solutions.
 
For the record, you are right on this issue. None of it makes sense....but then again, women and inlaws don't make sense.

Jim's advice is right on...stay in the garage knowing that you are right and let her make meat pancakes if it makes her happy.

In order to end the standoff I would say "Honey, I don't understand or agree with the whole rotten fruit/meat pancake thing but if it makes you all happy then it makes me happy. Next time I'll call FedEx for you". Throw in a "sorry" for bonus points...though I wouldn't personally.
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I second this.
Don't sweat the small stuff, and if you still have your health and boat it is all small stuff.
(Who knows how long the relatives will be around to send stuff to or from.) And when that happens can you live with yourself ? (Been there and it is not pretty.)
 
Smack yourself in the forehead with a frozen meatloaf, and realize that if things like this are "issues" then life is pretty damn good!
 
Here is my thought on this matter. This sounds very much like logic to emotion deal to me. Call me a male show finest if you like but I believe a male thought pattern is usually driven by logic, while the female is driven by emotion. In your case here you are thinking with logic, why have them continue to waste their money. That makes logical sense. Your wife is thinking with heart and does not want to hurt anyone’s feelings, hence the emotion. The one thing I have learned after one broken marriage and now one great one is this, the logic will never win the argument. It may make all the sense in the world but the emotion will always win out.


To be honest it is not worth the argument. Have a very Merry Christmas and to a better New Year.:thumbsup:
 
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Thank you all for the advice.

It’s great to bounce this off you and get your thoughts.

I’ve decided to follow the suggestion of Marie-Antoinette and let them eat cake.

After all, everything worked out for her.
 

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