No Spark - 4.3 Liter Mercruisers

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  1. mark guthrie

    mark guthrie Member

    101
    Aug 25, 2009
    St. Pete, FL
    2001 280 Sundancer
    4.3L with Alphas
    Hi all,

    I have a 280 Sundancer.

    Both engines have the same problem. They crank fine, and getting fuel - but no spark.

    Is there a separate circuit for the coil? Different than the starting circuit?

    I recently replaced some breakers and pulled all of the batteries, could I have left a wire or two off? I thoroughly checked but don't see any.

    I also put a jumper from the battery to the coil but no difference.

    Any advice?

    Thanks, Mark
     
  2. garybly

    garybly Member

    96
    Mar 13, 2018
    2005 Sundancer 320
    2 350 MAG MPI w V Drive
    Actually mercruiser web site must have a wiring diagram for the engine, check if you have power to the ecm, there also may be relays involved
     
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  3. garybly

    garybly Member

    96
    Mar 13, 2018
    2005 Sundancer 320
    2 350 MAG MPI w V Drive
    Here is a link for the wiring diagram
    https://www.downloadboatmanuals.com/motors/mercury/mercury-mercruiser-service-manual/
     
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  4. garybly

    garybly Member

    96
    Mar 13, 2018
    2005 Sundancer 320
    2 350 MAG MPI w V Drive
    I assume you have an EFI engine, I see in the diagram there is an engine circuit breaker that supplies power to the ignition relay, I suspect that is your problem, check to see if you have power there, I have been an auto tech for 40 years
     
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  5. mark guthrie

    mark guthrie Member

    101
    Aug 25, 2009
    St. Pete, FL
    2001 280 Sundancer
    4.3L with Alphas
    Thanks. So power is a separate circuit for the ECM? I tried going to this site, but I can't figure out which one is the wiring diagram, there are many, many links...I tried one and it took me down a rabbit hole. Might not help anyway as I am not great at reading schematics.

    Do you know if there is a way to jump power to the ECM?

    Just prior to this happening, I replaced many of the original Searay breakers on the main panel, I am wondering if I missed a wire? I looked closely yesterday and don't see any that aren't attached. I also pulled all of the batteries, thought maybe I missed reattaching a wire but that doesn't make sense as anything going to the ECM would have to be on a breaker.

    Also, this is happening to both engines, so unless the same power goes to both ECMs, there must be two wires not connected.

    I really appreciate your input!
     
  6. garybly

    garybly Member

    96
    Mar 13, 2018
    2005 Sundancer 320
    2 350 MAG MPI w V Drive
    The second link down is for 4.3l
    Mercury Mercruiser #18 Service Manual Marine Engines GM V-6 262 CID (4.3L) [PDF, ENG, 12 MB].pdf
    Do you see a breaker for the ignition, maybe you did noy hook a wire back up when you did your work?

    What year is your boat?
     
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  7. Jimmy Buoy

    Jimmy Buoy Well-Known Member

    Dec 3, 2008
    Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
    2004 Formula 27PC
    Twin Merc 4.3 MPI/Bravo III
    Behind the distributor you will find a black fuse holder that holds 4 small blade fuses. Pop the top off and check to see if any of the blade fuses are burned.
     
  8. garybly

    garybly Member

    96
    Mar 13, 2018
    2005 Sundancer 320
    2 350 MAG MPI w V Drive
    I just clicked on the link and it works fine?
     
  9. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member

    Aug 10, 2011
    cape cod mass, cape coral fl
    1999 Powerquest legend 260 sx 502 mag
    2005 Baja 242 islander 496
    502 mpi Bravo 1
    496 mag B1
    Monitor the voltage at the 50 amp breaker on top of the motor while cranking. If it drops below 11 volts that's your problem.
     
  10. mark guthrie

    mark guthrie Member

    101
    Aug 25, 2009
    St. Pete, FL
    2001 280 Sundancer
    4.3L with Alphas
    Thanks, I will check that today.
     
  11. mark guthrie

    mark guthrie Member

    101
    Aug 25, 2009
    St. Pete, FL
    2001 280 Sundancer
    4.3L with Alphas
    Thanks for pointing out the link. I was able to download it.

    It is a 2001 Sundancer.

    There is a breaker for the ignition. One of the breakers I replaced. I believe it is the same breaker that powers the starter (from memory). Maybe there was another lead on it that I didn't reconnect, but if there was, I sure can't find it. I wish I had fired up the engines after replacing the breakers to test, but I didn't.
     
  12. Jimmy Buoy

    Jimmy Buoy Well-Known Member

    Dec 3, 2008
    Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
    2004 Formula 27PC
    Twin Merc 4.3 MPI/Bravo III
    I believe the starter is powered directly from the battery switch (thickest red cable in the ER).
     
  13. mark guthrie

    mark guthrie Member

    101
    Aug 25, 2009
    St. Pete, FL
    2001 280 Sundancer
    4.3L with Alphas
    Yesterday I thoroughly checked the batteries, to see if something has become disconnected. All was fine. Took the opportunity to clean up everything and treat all of the poles with CorrisionX.

    I don't seem to have the blade fuses behind he distributor and I don't see a 50 amp on top of the engine (scolaw).

    On the main panel there is a breaker for each ignition, when off, the starter does not crank.
     
  14. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member

    Aug 10, 2011
    cape cod mass, cape coral fl
    1999 Powerquest legend 260 sx 502 mag
    2005 Baja 242 islander 496
    502 mpi Bravo 1
    496 mag B1
    It's there, close to the ecm and distributor. Red button.
     
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  15. Jimmy Buoy

    Jimmy Buoy Well-Known Member

    Dec 3, 2008
    Sarnia, Ontario, Canada
    2004 Formula 27PC
    Twin Merc 4.3 MPI/Bravo III
    It should be on the top of the engine, port side, near the front.
     
  16. Jeff Delbuono

    Jeff Delbuono Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2018
    Edison New Jersey
    1998 Sea Ray 290 Sundancer
    5.0 efi w/ alpha 1 gen 2 drives
    My 1998 5.0 efi has 3 fusesin the ecm box. Lift the lit and check the fuses there. I know 1 of them is a fuel pump fuse but not sure of other 2
     
  17. Jeff Delbuono

    Jeff Delbuono Well-Known Member

    Jun 11, 2018
    Edison New Jersey
    1998 Sea Ray 290 Sundancer
    5.0 efi w/ alpha 1 gen 2 drives
    Its inbetween the riser and air cleaner cover Screenshot_20230529_173411_Gallery.jpg
     
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  18. mark guthrie

    mark guthrie Member

    101
    Aug 25, 2009
    St. Pete, FL
    2001 280 Sundancer
    4.3L with Alphas
    Thanks, so that is a circuit breaker for the ECM?
     
  19. mark guthrie

    mark guthrie Member

    101
    Aug 25, 2009
    St. Pete, FL
    2001 280 Sundancer
    4.3L with Alphas
    Update. Thanks for the input. I got them both started. While troubleshooting, I decided to clean everything up, including the battery terminals. And then charged all night. Guess what, they both started. Ugh...sometimes it is the simple stuff.

    Now I have another problem, the port engine is running rough and will die at idle. I am getting some vapor coming out of the throttle body. My mechanic thinks it is getting too much fuel. The good news is that he is coming today.
     
  20. scoflaw

    scoflaw Well-Known Member

    Aug 10, 2011
    cape cod mass, cape coral fl
    1999 Powerquest legend 260 sx 502 mag
    2005 Baja 242 islander 496
    502 mpi Bravo 1
    496 mag B1
    So the reason for no spark was your voltage drop was below 11 volts, enough to crank the engine but not enough for the ecm to fire the plugs.
     

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